The HORRENDOUS State of Housing

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Originally Posted by Ihaf_Frethyme

It's a layer that lets people actually play the game and kills botters. I think you need to go back and reread it. It still had the random timer, existing house owners can still transfer with out entering the raffle. People can only enter once (an idea of getting 1 additional entry when you lose a raffle but I could go either way on that). This still bashes house sellers as they USE BOTS to get houses. Again you say "no" but actually fail to give any substantial reasons why. Lots of that on here; at least you were a bit more polite about it, ty.

House destruction isn't coming back for at least a year then there's the month and a half of time it takes for the hose to actually be destroyed. I'm not holding my breath for that.

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The main reason is because it removes any required effort. Which is a key pillar of the design. You might not like the current gameplay of that effort and can offer alternatives, but you can't remove it outright. (well at least not while expecting it to get picked up)

And for context. The raffle/lottery idea has been around for as long as I can remember, and here we are.

You guys are not going to get through someone who is desperate for housing. As he is desperate he is going to think that his idea is going to be the ultimate resolutions. Especially he is new therefore he is not going to take your words.

Yes we all know that lottery system is the worst idea ever but as he is desperate, he will go for that because he will see it may increase his chance slightly. No sir, you are not going to be benefit from this lol lottery system because if SE is going to put into the game; it will make you to compete against entire server because of “fairness”

Yeah, chances are that people who don't even bother with housing because it's not worth the effort to them would come out of the woodworks with a housing raffle and you'd end up going from competing against a handful of people in a setting where you have some control to competing with a ton of people and no control. Then odds are we'd be reading posts about how it takes too long in this very forum even after it's turned into a 0 effort endeavor.

The novelty of having a house and decorating wears off quick and soon you're stuck with Yoshi's sunk cost demolition train. Get yourself an apartment if you want to decorate so badly. It's just not worth it at all in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

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We will never agree. PVP require symetrical confrontation and the possibility for new players who meet the requirments to take part in the challenge . Someone who already has a house and can move just like that without any kind of PVP is nothing but some kind of "Fait du Prince". And people who spend hours clicking are not aware if someone who already has a house intends to move. This kind of factor is pure abritrary and random. Someone can jump in the area and just click the right time and get the house only because of latency.

I call that a lottery, not PVP.

And... Personaly I don't care to get a house, since ARR, I've managed three times to get a mansion (two at time, lost, and finally one I've given up) without any kind of presure nor challenge feeling. Currently I just feel bored with restrictions since technically they can do far more and better.

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Originally Posted by GrumbleBeard

The novelty of having a house and decorating wears off quick and soon you're stuck with Yoshi's sunk cost demolition train. Get yourself an apartment if you want to decorate so badly. It's just not worth it at all in my opinion.

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The good thing is that you can give up your house and give it to someone who wants it. Donate today.

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Originally Posted by Edax

The good thing is that you can give up your house and give it to someone who wants it. Donate today.

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My server has plenty of available plots last I saw, so that's not really an issue.

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Originally Posted by Eldevern

We will never agree. PVP require symetrical confrontation and the possibility for new players who meet the requirments to take part in the challenge . Someone who already has a house and can move just like that without any kind of PVP is nothing but some kind of "Fait du Prince". And people who spend hours clicking are not aware if someone who already has a house intends to move. This kind of factor is pure abritrary and random. Someone can jump in the area and just click the right time and get the house only because of latency.

I call that a lottery, not PVP.

And... Personaly I don't care to get a house, since ARR, I've managed three times to get a mansion (two at time, lost, and finally one I've given up) without any kind of presure nor challenge feeling. Currently I just feel bored with restrictions since technically they can do far more and better.

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It's not a matter of agreeing. It's a statement of fact. PVP does not require symmetrical confrontation (in fact most multiplayer games have soft-asymmetry and quite a few have strong asymmetry). The entry requirements are the same for everyone but people who've worked their way into house ownership get some advantages, just like how you get deadlier in PVP in FF14 after you kill plenty of people, or how higher levels gank lower levels in wow open-world PVP, etc.. etc..

You're using examples I specifically countered in my previous posts when you discuss how it's a lottery. It's not, go back and check. I suspect that you're trying to say that it "feels like a lottery" at this point. But that is very different from it being a lottery.
A single plot has some attached RNG, sure, but you have a lot of control over that. By changing how long you stay around, which plot you aim for, when you hunt, how active you are on the placard, etc.. Already not a lottery. But in addition to this, house hunting is not handling one single plot but multiple plots. With each new attempt, you increase your odds of getting one. Thus time spent is a huge part of it, alongside which strategy you opt for.

It's going to take time, sure, one can debate that it might take too much time, one can debate that placard spamming is the worse mechanic ever (it is). But it's PVP with a time-based reward system (with some rng, strategy, and a bit of skill depending on the housing phase)

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Originally Posted by EaMett

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As soon as luck is involved, it is not PVP anymore. I will never call "luck" a skill. There's nothing to discuss about it. There no exercise in the world to cultivate to be sure to win to the lottery. Then luck is not a skill.

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Originally Posted by Ihaf_Frethyme

It already is RNG based AND ping based. This idea is perfect, find 1 problem with it and I'll shoot it down.

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Rng combined with the number of players on some worlds trying to get homes. Add in how often and rare homes are on some worlds like Balmung, Depending on your luck you could still spend months or even years of trying to get a home. The random timer sucks but you have a lot of players who want homes but are not trying to get one. You a add raffle and you go from lets say 20 or so people bidding for a one plot to several hundred if not 1k people bidding for it.