"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

New Game+ was literally put in because players were begging to redo the STORY. Period. We already have people beating us over the head to rush through every dungeon and leveling area as quickly as possible to 'progress' for experience. So now people who want to go back and ENJOY the STORY can do so. Not handing out exp means maybe we can do it without being beaten over the head to rush it again... NICE.

There are so many bloody ways to get exp for classes. It's spoonfed players with dailies amoung other things. NG+ doesn't *need* to do it, too. It can literally JUST be there for the 'want to see the story' people. There can be things for other people to enjoy. Fancy that.

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No, not period. You don't speak for other people. They said they wanted the story experience back. What that represents for each one of us can be different. For me and clearly others, the story without at least the character progression through xp is not really the same, and not what i asked for.

I find it funny how these people preach that it's only for some. But for some to want to level doing the story? Oh no, we can't have that! You must level through FATE's and dungeons... and you should be happy about it! How dare you want to have another option to level that you might enjoy like you did your first one?!

I mean... really?!

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Not really. They already have botting scrips that do FATEs, PvP, and even dungeons for you. If the purpose is farming experience—PVP bots say hello—then crafting and flooding market boards holds no weight here.


I find it sad the amount of players that need to have carrots dangled in front of them to appreciate a game feature. Not everything has to be designed that way.

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You... don't get programming do you? You can't just reuse the same script to do quests. There are lots of manual paths you will have to map and different encounters that the combat script might not be able to handle. You would have to write new scripts for every single quest. It would be insane amount of work to do that, unless they program it all to sell illegally as a boosting service and get their money that way. Honestly though, selling gold is way more efficient cause SE already sells that service in their shop. HA! I can only imagine how difficult it would be to script the final encounter on the Azim steppe. That would be insanity! So many things can go wrong! MSQ is not something you get rewarded by by just participating. It requires completion.
I think the chances of seeing bots doing the MSQ is close to zero. Just try a different one. See, this is why i say you are tilting. Coming up with the most unplausible reasons to play yes-man.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I’m well aware. My point is why give them yet another avenue for it.

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Up to a point, this is a reasonable concern. But if there really are bots complex enough to automate a 50 hour story in under a day, then it's a lost cause. You're going to find it impossible to design *anything* with rewards at that point.

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Originally Posted by Nemmar

No, not period. You don't speak for other people. They said they wanted the story experience back. What that represents for each one of us can be different. For me and clearly others, the story without at least the character progression through xp is not really the same, and not what i asked for.

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You’ve spent this entire thread trying to speak for others. Like your previous post, where you tried to say what was worthwhile and meaningful to other players.

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You... don't get programming do you? You can't just reuse the same script to do quests. There are lots of manual paths you will have to map and different encounters that the combat script might not be able to handle. You would have to write new scripts for every single quest. It would be insane amount fo work to do that, unless they program it all to sell illegally as a boosting service and get their money that way. Honestly though, selling gold is way more efficient cause SE already sells that service in their shop.
I think the chances of seeing bots doing the MSQ is close to zero.

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I guess you’re unaware that these botting programs already exist. You’re apparently also unaware that people already sell these services. And others buy.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

I'm hoping though with the new game plus we aren't limited to one play through of it. I mean I doubt we would be but it would suck if we were. I know they said only one save but how often can that save be overwritten?

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Ideally it would be like Diablo 3 and after your first run through of new game+ you could just choose the story point to go back to at will. A NG++ reward of sorts for completing NG+

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Originally Posted by Nemmar

No, not period. You don't speak for other people. They said they wanted the story experience back. What that represents for each one of us can be different. For me and clearly others, the story without at least the character progression through xp is not really the same, and not what i asked for.

I find it funny how these people preach that it's only for some. But for some to want to level doing the story? Oh no, we can't have that! You must level through FATE's and dungeons... and you should be happy about it! How dare you want to have another option to level that you might enjoy like you did your first one?!

I mean... really?!

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I do believe the one who has spent the MAJORITY of this thread 'speaking for others' is you. Soooooo... I mean.... pot meet kettle? As for leveling - You have PotD, HoH, dungeons, Dailies, PvP, FATES... the FATES in ShB even provide SHINIES for you if you unlock them. They tried to provide those nifty carrots that everyone seems to be clamoring for in this thread. That they took the ONE THING that they decided to put in for the people wanting to do the STORY AGAIN and said 'this is not intended for level grinding' and y'all are having a fit? Nah. XD I'm sorry... NAH.

EDIT: Wait wait, I forgot a leveling thing! HUNTS! You can do HUNTS TO LEVEL! Ooooh, there's THAT TOO! Gosh... silly me!

Items and gil is understandable, but if the quests have no exp it would be a big let down personally. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

You’ve spent this entire thread trying to speak for others. Like your previous post, where you tried to say what was worthwhile and meaningful to other players.



I guess you’re unaware that these botting programs already exist. You’re apparently also unaware that people already sell these services. And others buy.

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And this thread proves i was right? Lots of people came here to express their disappointment. I know there are people who will be happy with just replaying the story. But do you know that that is not everyone? Are you this ok with denying others a feature they could enjoy? Why?

If that is the case, and i have my doubts, then what exactly is your problem? If the exploit is happening already having new game + give XP rewards would change absolutely nothing. So, again, why are you adamant in denying people a feature they could enjoy? I mean, just the fact that you think the game should now be designed with everything the bots do in mind is ridiculous. Should we also remove mob drops from the overworld? Shall we remove quest cause bots do them? Should we remove gathering nodes cause bots farm them? Just stop.
The bots are a problem on squeenix back end and that is where it needs to be fixed. Not in the game design.

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

I do believe the one who has spent the MAJORITY of this thread 'speaking for others' is you. Soooooo... I mean.... pot meet kettle? As for leveling - You have PotD, HoH, dungeons, Dailies, PvP, FATES... the FATES in ShB even provide SHINIES for you if you unlock them. They tried to provide those nifty carrots that everyone seems to be clamoring for in this thread. That they took the ONE THING that they decided to put in for the people wanting to do the STORY AGAIN and said 'this is not intended for level grinding' and y'all are having a fit? Nah. XD I'm sorry... NAH.

EDIT: Wait wait, I forgot a leveling thing! HUNTS! You can do HUNTS TO LEVEL! Ooooh, there's THAT TOO! Gosh... silly me!

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Oh keep your shinies. I want to have the experience of leveling my job through the story back. It was supported by the game on the first job. But, apparently, i have to be forced into those options you listed without any choice even though the feature is right there. I cannot be allowed to enjoy a different method. Why? Hmm why indeed... eh? Then i'm the one telling others eh? Sweet irony.

SE obviously hates you personally. No other possible explanation.

My only dissatisfaction is that you have to do it in major chunks. Last I checked you have to choose a specific expansion, not specific quests or even patches.

Wait, people really thought it would give rewards? Ahahahaha

The only thing it maybe ought to give is gil (at the same rate as the original quests; nothing major) to make up for the gil you'd be using for all the teleports you'd be doing to get the story done again. It's not like anyone would be doing this specifically for that amount of gil.

I'm personally not interested in this anyway (if I were, I'd just make another character) but I think some of you set your expectations a mite too high.