5.08 Patch Notes up

Thing is, you had to weave a lot as a SMN in StB too. It's not really any busier now than it was then. The "busy-ness" is not really the issue with SMN, at least not in and of itself.

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Originally Posted by Leathium

Nothing for DRKs yet q-q

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DRK probably isn't going to get anything. I believe that Yoshi P said that he was overall pretty satisfied when asked about the state of Tanks.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

DRK probably isn't going to get anything. I believe that Yoshi P said that he was overall pretty satisfied when asked about the state of Tanks.

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I'm really satisfied with how tanks are too.

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Originally Posted by Lium

People need to calm down. These are just preliminary changes. This is one of the reasons devs don't like to post stuff, because then all the other jobs start complaining, "What about [insert class here] that is still underpowered and is out DPS'd by [insert another class] and has no utility!!!"

Seriously, calm the eff down. More changes are incoming. Sheesh.

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While this is fair, there are still jobs suffering that the developers have made zero mention of adjusting, or that they seem to think are "fine". RDM and the physical ranged come to mind here. The Devs haven't made any mentions about the latter (despite them being on the cusp of exclusion right now due to how weak they are), and RDM is being taxed far too heavily for its Verraise utility. More so than it was in SB. But they seem to think this is "fine".

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Originally Posted by TheForce

DRK probably isn't going to get anything. I believe that Yoshi P said that he was overall pretty satisfied when asked about the state of Tanks.

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The tanks may have gameplay issues, but they're all relatively balanced. So I don't expect any adjustments to them in potency patches like 5.08. Compared to the DPS jobs, where a handful are dominating and the other handful are suffering heavily.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

RDM is being taxed far too heavily for its Verraise utility. More so than it was in SB. But they seem to think this is "fine".

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I feel like perhaps they could make them hard capped on potent raise support and then allow that as an excuse to not only go back on the tax to SB era but even further reduce that tax. Like for Summoner they get one instant raise on X second cooldown. Somewhere balanced around the cooldown of swiftcast which for reference has 60 seconds. If you wanted you could also add a cooldown reduction mechanic just for fun, like each egi assault or something reduces the cooldown slightly (it still should be long enough to make the raise tax minimal though, and allow the job more damage or whatever else.. titan shield utility or something lol). May also give SMN another slot by removing swift cast then, which you can technically use for the other already really fast spells SMN has but... eh.. by removing it you could use that saved slot for another new ability (or I guess players could just choose not to put it on the bar lol).

Then Red Mage has a slightly longer cooldown than summoner but may hold up to two raise charges, both of them having the short cast times (red mage has two types of spells, long and short, referring to the shorter ones that don't need to be primed- the raise is the primer now). Of course you could short cast into an instant cast if you wanted (double raise), and of course that means you're out of both charges and it's now on full cooldown.

Just something to reduce the tax as you put it on the jobs, allowing them more justified room in the damage departments- especially Red Mage. I imagine some might miss the chain spell 5 raises potential but it's a bit bonkers (totally kills your mana/damage lol, and apparently is causing a damage reduction on the job), rather then you could deal more damage and the party if doing poorly will just restart instead of going into raise euphoria.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

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not sure if 100% and tell me if its wrong but SAM being worst melee DPS is big oof

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If it is rdps as it says, then nins personal dps is lower than SAM as it should be, tho im still surprised SAM didnt get bigger buffs, SAM should be the highest pdps, with the shift in rdps based on utility utilization.

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Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson

Thing is, you had to weave a lot as a SMN in StB too. It's not really any busier now than it was then. The "busy-ness" is not really the issue with SMN, at least not in and of itself.

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If that were true, people wouldn't be complaining about the job's busy-ness now, would they? Yes, it's not the *big* issue, but it definitely contributes to how terrible SMN is to play right now.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

Like someone above said, it has to do with timing. They cant make sweeping changes in the middle of a raid tier as that would cause problems for raiders who invested a lot of time/gil into their gear/melding. Big changes will inevitably come, but only in a big patch with new content and when raid tier has quieted down.

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Have time to change the floor tile but don't have time to increase sum & rdm potency, make sense.

I like the changes to SAM outside of Kaeshi: Higanbana which I never use. Honestly, I'm waiting to see what kind of changes they make to Shoha which is completely useless.

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Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz

Have time to change the floor tile but don't have time to increase sum & rdm potency, make sense.

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If you think the job balance team was involved in the area change in the dungeon you have no idea how game dev work.