White Mage Overflow

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

I guarantee that if you stand stubbornly still in the 80 dungeons spamming Holy, you'll either die or get to the point where you have to top yourself or risk a comical death. All 3 expert dungeons have pulls that force you to move regardless of which healer you are on. I'll merrily do a video recording to demonstrate this point if need be.

Again, I'm not trying to say Holy is weak. But blowing things out of proportion is not going to do anyone any favours.

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The only one with non interruptible aoe is emet's dungeon off the top of my head, why would you have to move for other ones before DR kicks in?

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Originally Posted by Kaiten_kenbu

with AST having the most versatility and utility imo.

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Are you back in time and still in SB maybe? :>

Utility is there sure, but a WHM beats an AST for contribution in every form. They have higher DPS contribution and HPS. AST cards atm don't give enough raid DPS to contribute as much as a WHM does with their personal DPS. There is a bad gap between AST and both other healers really.

I don't know why SE thought this was okay...to have AST be so much weaker than both other healers in HPS AND DPS. That isn't balance. They gutted AST CU....then just gave it to SCH instead lol I don't even get their thought process at this point and I have definitely lost any and all faith I had left about them balancing healers.

IMO The balance was so much closer in SB, WHM just needed some help, instead they destroyed the other two healers to make WHM good....instead of just making WHM good :/

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Originally Posted by Miste

Are you back in time and still in SB maybe? :>

Utility is there sure, but a WHM beats an AST for contribution in every form. They have higher DPS contribution and HPS. AST cards atm don't give enough raid DPS to contribute as much as a WHM does with their personal DPS. There is a bad gap between AST and both other healers really.

I don't know why SE thought this was okay...to have AST be so much weaker than both other healers in HPS AND DPS. That isn't balance. They gutted AST CU....then just gave it to SCH instead lol I don't even get their thought process at this point and I have definitely lost any and all faith I had left about them balancing healers.

IMO The balance was so much closer in SB, WHM just needed some help, instead they destroyed the other two healers to make WHM good....instead of just making WHM good :/

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No kidding. All of my OGCD's have low potency and long cool downs. The GCD heal usage for AST is higher then sch or whm. The card system is not fun and competely convoluted at the moment. MP mangement is a headache because of all the GCD healing we have to do making dpsing a pain mostly in 4 man dungeons though. FFlogs is showing AST as the top healer in 80 4 mans...wonder why that is!! OH I know cause we got to spam things like Benefic II and blow multiple OGCD's on large trash pulls. Sorry for the sarcasm :D

AST just looks like an unfun brainache to play now.

But in Stormblood us WHM players got told we were "trash tier" by raiders and were hassled constantly to "switch to AST".

Seems like Square Enix can't get healers right. I also don't understand the amount of people comparing SCH and WHM, it's a stupid comparison. WHM would never replace SCH because Nocturnal AST is really bad.

I'm glad people are starting to see how horrible SE is at healer balancing. It's been like this since freaking HW if you were a WHM. Then we went into SB just as bad, but since it was just WHM it was easy to just sweep the problem under the rug. The fact that SE let a job, with a job guage so useless you could click it off and not notice a thing, sit at the bottom for YEARS is absolutely ridiculous.

I don't see them fixing these healer issues anytime soon either, they have no idea what they're doing or going with them. I'm hoping for the best, but all I see is another situation where SCH and AST is buffed to kings and everyone stays quiet again for 2 years.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

I'm glad people are starting to see how horrible SE is at healer balancing. It's been like this since freaking HW if you were a WHM. Then we went into SB just as bad, but since it was just WHM it was easy to just sweep the problem under the rug. The fact that SE let a job, with a job guage so useless you could click it off and not notice a thing, sit at the bottom for YEARS is absolutely ridiculous.

I don't see them fixing these healer issues anytime soon either, they have no idea what they're doing or going with them. I'm hoping for the best, but all I see is another situation where SCH and AST is buffed to kings and everyone stays quiet again for 2 years.

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Had that same feeling that history is going to repeat itself again. Whm can be top dps out of healers, but for healing all of us should be more or less equal.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

I'm glad people are starting to see how horrible SE is at healer balancing. It's been like this since freaking HW if you were a WHM. Then we went into SB just as bad, but since it was just WHM it was easy to just sweep the problem under the rug. The fact that SE let a job, with a job guage so useless you could click it off and not notice a thing, sit at the bottom for YEARS is absolutely ridiculous.

I don't see them fixing these healer issues anytime soon either, they have no idea what they're doing or going with them. I'm hoping for the best, but all I see is another situation where SCH and AST is buffed to kings and everyone stays quiet again for 2 years.

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You remind me that the first I had to do into this expansion, was drag back the lilies bar onto the screen.

Yea, I totally expect 5.05 to overbuff AST and WHM will be bottom of the heap again.

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Originally Posted by DawnSolaria

The only one with non interruptible aoe is emet's dungeon off the top of my head, why would you have to move for other ones before DR kicks in?

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Because of the delay between Holy going off and the Stun taking effect. The pull before the second boss of the Twinning is a good example of this. AoEs will go off before your third stun and I'm not really sure what's given you the idea that they don't.

I'll make a recording tonight as I think it's the only way you're going to see straight on this <3

If you're wondering why I'm making a point of this:

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Originally Posted by DawnSolaria

holy you can just stand absolutely still.

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It's because this is patently untrue.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Because of the delay between Holy going off and the Stun taking effect. The pull before the second boss of the Twinning is a good example of this. AoEs will go off before your third stun and I'm not really sure what's given you the idea that they don't.

I'll make a recording tonight as I think it's the only way you're going to see straight on this <3

If you're wondering why I'm making a point of this:



It's because this is patently untrue.

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It is true because I have done it and will keep doing it. Non overlapping aoe won't kill you in one hit so you can take one then just chain stun them, toss out an assize after the first holy because the second holy stun won't take effect as the mobs will be still be stunned. I have used more holy than cure ii in dungeon so don't come telling me what I did wasn't true

Again, I don’t have a problem with the foundations of what you are saying. Rather, my issue is the extent with which you are spinning it.

I’m not really sure what more holy than cure ii has to do with anything here though? Cure II’s mid pull outside if the first Akademia pull usually means something went pretty wrong ;)