Wrongful kicking people on third boss in new Ivalice raid

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Originally Posted by Maero

Or they are people that do not work for a living and have all the time in the world to game? lol

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Or they could be self-employed or working professionals that only go into the office 2-3 times a week. Not everyone works at Mcdonald's 50 hrs a week for a living you know? lol

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Originally Posted by Seddrinth

Or they could be self-employed or working professionals that only go into the office 2-3 times a week. Not everyone works at Mcdonald's 50 hrs a week for a living you know? lol

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Can we end these snide remarks about peoples careers please?
Your working hours and availability to play the game doesn't reflect your 'dedication' to it, or the status of your career, and not everyone who works 9-5 works at "mcdonalds".

Well then, the amount of butthurt over that comment is unreal. Facts are hard to accept, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Seddrinth

If your not knowing mechanics leads to your raid getting wiped, I'm not sure how anyone can complain about being kicked. There's already guides out there.

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finding a guide for something in its first week of release really makes me question that person's reason for even playing this game. I'm not welcoming bad players, either. I just want people to learn from the mistakes they make during the fight, idc if we wipe a few times if people stop getting surprised that "oh I have to MOVE out of those orange areas, right, i forgot".

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Well then, the amount of butthurt over that comment is unreal. Facts are hard to accept, I guess.

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Your "facts" are opinions and nothing more. As such, people have the right to call you out on them if they consider them untrue or flawed. That's not "butthurt", it's a difference in opinions.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

finding a guide for something in its first week of release really makes me question that person's reason for even playing this game. I'm not welcoming bad players, either. I just want people to learn from the mistakes they make during the fight, idc if we wipe a few times if people stop getting surprised that "oh I have to MOVE out of those orange areas, right, i forgot".

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The reasons are to clear content, get loot, and not be a burden to other people in the raid. Blind runs are fine and they can be fun. Just make sure everyone in the group are like minded in that regard.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Not to be captain obvious here, but casual players don't usually get up before the sun rises to run a new 24 man on patch day.

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Yes we do. I did Raba on day one as soon as the patch downloaded. My schedule has kept me from doing the last two that way, but yeah. Im not sure what your definition of casual is but i dont do ex while its relevant nor savage. Thats casual in most people's books.

Vote kicking for no real reason should be reportable, but then there should be better reasons for kicking. Like Shirking for no reason or using skills to troll like Rescue. The tank who did that to our healer was real lucky we were almost thru the dungeon and didnt want to wait on another to que. (Seriously she did nothing. We thought it was a misclick until they gave us a snooty little emote after). Personally I'd rather just deal and get thru the duty but there are some instances where its not worth the stress. Maybe a 3 strikes system would work better. Like you can only get kicked if you rack up 3 warnings or something.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

Vote kicking for no real reason should be reportable, but then there should be better reasons for kicking.

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vote kicking should absolutely not be reportable. a vote to kick is a system of putting all of the players' responsibility on the table and asking "do the majority of you agree that this person should be removed from the party?"

If the players fail to pay attention and blindly hit "yes", that is a failure in the playerbase and not a reason to report the Vote kicker.

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Originally Posted by Seddrinth

The reasons are to clear content, get loot, and not be a burden to other people in the raid. Blind runs are fine and they can be fun. Just make sure everyone in the group are like minded in that regard.

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yeah, in 24 mans, that last part is just not reasonably going to ever happen. several of my casual-leaning friends held off doing content because "they wanted to watch a guide" bc they didnt want to be a burden, like you said. I told them to ignore that and just run with me, and I'LL teach you how to run this fight. They were never a burden after that.

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Originally Posted by Seddrinth

If your not knowing mechanics leads to your raid getting wiped, I'm not sure how anyone can complain about being kicked. There's already guides out there. If you want to go in blind and prog without really trying to clear the raid you can form your own groups with like-minded players. The people who kicked you already know the fight and just want to get their weekly clear. It's nothing personal.

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If people are kicking, because people are learning - on the first day - which a lot of guides at the time probably weren't out, or were JUST coming out. Is absolutely ridiculous, not to mention watching, or reading a guide is not the same as putting it in practice.

The only ppl I have been seeing kicked are ppl who are refusing to do mechanics no matter how many times they are explained and spending most their time face down in the dirt or are being jerks. I personally kicked two ppl this week who were just being flat out rude.