New info on housing plots, PVP, squadron changes

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Pretty big difference between the insides (which are ALL dynamically loaded based on when a player is there or not, for every house in the game) and the outsides, which are always loaded, even when a player isn't there.

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Wrong. Even if it is like this, it's got nothing to do with the code. It's just a decision they made to follow. And the reason for that that I believe is just to make the instances more suited to completely unrelated people stumbling across each other, rather than for whatever features you seem to think of.

Market board, retainers and the like all are no different than armoire or aesthetician. They are separate pieces of the database that work separately from the remaining code and are active only "on demand". The proof is easy. Try to do something unrelated to these things when having those open, like change class or use food. Aesthetician aside, of course. You won't be able to. Why?! Because at the moment, you are connected to a different database. It's like trying to overwrite a file that's open in a different program.

I am talking about supposed limitations of the code, you are talking about the way the code is used. Those are two different things. Don't mix them up. For the code, the inside and outside are no different. An instance is an instance. If they can make a large limited in amount instances that allow gardening or stables, they can make small, unlimited in amount instances with the same characteristics. They can...provided they have the hardware for that. That's all it boils down to.

Since things can get lost in translation, the actual phrase from the interview is:

Yoshida: We're currently working in adding more wards and a system where everyone can obtain a new house fair and square for Patch 4.2.

But at the same time they don't want you to prepare -- so I'm thinking:

1) It's not an auction system, that's not "fair and square".
2) It's not a lottery for the same reason.

It's probably something based on your achievements, commendations, points, or something NOT having to do with gil.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Housing issues have been known since like not too long after it was first implemented, you cannot tell me they have not had the time to look into it, rather they do not care about it much/low priority.

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Its motivated by an arbitrary decision and blissful ignorance of western culture. Limited housing drives demand and desire. To have a plot with a house on it is a 'big achievement' because space is limited. What they don't quite get is we see that as a false achievement because all it took was an automated macro that is faster than another's to purchase a claim the moment it was available. Or to simply 'kill enough boars'* for the gil to buy it from someone.

What they don't, and don't want to understand is that the ones who would enjoy housing the most are the ones who are the most incapable of getting them. Those are your RPers and Decorators who simply want to enjoy the aspects of the housing. They're not interested in having the achievement of getting a rare plot. They just wish to enjoy it for what it is.

As for me, I don't have a personal stake. I don't normally get involved in housing in these games. I sometimes get shoehorned into helping decorate them by friends. And its people like them that I choose to go to bat for. I know how much they enjoy it, and I know how much they are willing to pay in real money to have the privilege. But depending on how good something looks, I might be persuaded to make a purchase of my own.

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All they are doing next housing patch is adding more wards, and apartments, etc.. I hate always repeating myself but instanced and non-instanced mix is the only way to go.
There exists white knights in this thread

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This is the best solution. There are few people that like their houses and like that they can show them off to those around them. I would never advocate taking that away. That bit of housing will still have a large market due to its exclusivity and rarity. But those who simply desire a house to enjoy on their own through their own decorating (some may not even wish to share that with others), or Roleplaying, or whatever. Would largely benefit.

In addition instanced housing provides an advantage of Larger houses. The 'mansions' are at best midsized homes in other games. And can be limiting. FC halls have to use normal housing plots and are paltry compared to the guild halls in other games. Imagine Haukke Manor.. the Dungeon as a home? They did that in EQ2 with Mistmoore Castle. Hell they've used raid dungeons as guild halls there as well. They're never going to allow a FC to have half a housing ward for one building in the current system.

The white knights as you call them will Never fully comprehend the scale of buildings we're speaking about here since they refuse to check the evidence for themselves. They go on about how hard it is to code like the programmers are some special needs kids that need to be coddled. I'm not coddling anyone. They're here to provide a service and me (and hundreds if not more) are willing to pay for those services.

Like I said before, we don't need to convince devs to do anything. Just the execs and marketers. If they see the goldmine they could tap. They'll simple tell the devs to make it happen. SE might be from a different culture as us and don't understand the needs and desires. But every culture has one thing in common. They all like money. We've got it, they want it. All that needs to happen is make the trade.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

2) It's not a lottery for the same reason.

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Assuming they'll limit it to one personal house per account, the only thing unfair about this is FCs with lots of members who'll have more rolls on their FC house. But it's still more fair than a lot of other things.

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It's probably something based on your achievements, commendations, points, or something NOT having to do with gil.

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That's unfair towards newer players though

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

That's unfair towards newer players though

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Devil's Advocate, but to not do it that way is unfair to older players who've been several years without a plot. New player of a week has only waited a week in comparison.

You know what's fair to both though? Instanced alternative (alternative, not replacement). No one has made a compelling argument why, new or old, rich or not, FCs or players shouldn't all be able to get the house they wish.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

Devil's Advocate, but to not do it that way is unfair to older players who've been several years without a plot. New player of a week has only waited a week in comparison.

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Ok - so what? They can't have a house without having gone through the same grueling experience? Not the smartest marketing decision to put new players through that, especially ones who have much less keeping them in the game compared to the thousands if not more players who have already proved that despite not owning a house, aren't going anywhere. After the Shirogane mess, I doubt they want to antagonize people any more than they already have. Not that this debate matters because Yoshi-P said everyone would have a fair chance at the house - including the newer players you're willing to throw under the bus.

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No one has made a compelling argument why, new or old, rich or not, FCs or players shouldn't all be able to get the house they wish.

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Server limitations. Which isn't a good reason because so many games have proved it's possible, but seems to be the reality of the situation.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Let there be Viera!!!

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You mean elezen, misquote or hyur with bunny ears. Its not like they are going to spend any time/money into actual Viera, there would need to be too many tweaks to current gear to accommodate them. May as well get a pair or bunny ears from gold saucer and call yourself a viera now, cause that's likely all you will get anyway.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

You mean elezen, misquote or hyur with bunny ears. Its not like they are going to spend any time/money into actual Viera, there would need to be too many tweaks to current gear to accommodate them. May as well get a pair or bunny ears from gold saucer and call yourself a viera now, cause that's likely all you will get anyway.

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How does it not pain you to be this cynical? Even if we were to strip the horns and tails off of the Au Ra and Miqo'te, they still have unique body builds and silhouettes. I mean have you SEEN an Au Ra man's thighs? They're thicker than my Midlander's head.

I'm sure SE can create an interesting Viera. Will it be some kind of shining bastion of creativity and freedom of expression? Probably not, but that doesn't mean we still don't want it.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

How does it not pain you to be this cynical?

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I've been here since beta v1. SE has earned my doubt and cynicism.

The Au Ra are also not all that different, very slight and moderate changes in frames. Go ahead and get your hopes up, but with their track record in this game its going to be shrug worthy.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

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My hero! Completely agree!!