I wish more games would let me be the villain.
I am tired of being the hero (aka the chosen one)
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10-21-2017, 07:58 AMAyer2015
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10-21-2017, 08:11 AMYubelchen
I wish that too buuuuut....we are not the Warrior of Darkness of FFXIV, so that role is already taken. Someone else in a paralle Universe earned that title by destroying good.
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I had many friends of mine stop playing WoW for many reasons, one told me he got tired of seeing NPCs, who barely did anything, take the credit for saving the world. Sure, it might be for story reasons, but seeing that over the years and you and many more people (the ones in your group) can to 100% say they acually did the boss kinda doesnt fit. Also the adventures never go asked 'Hey [your Name] let me take the credit to gain more respect within the [Horde/Alliance]!'
So there is always two sides of it, being the hero and being just the support.
There will always be one like more than the others, but we cant change it in FFXIV...besides quit doing MSQ and stay a roaming adventurer and deal with the consequences (like that your 'world' will stay in time since you dont advance the plot) -
10-21-2017, 08:53 AMdinnertimeCorrect me if I'm wrong but it's funny how the WoL alone defeats a Primal that had a dragon's eye, Ascian aether and several thousand years worth of prayers as its power, along with his 12 transformed knights but then some Garlean prince with artificial echo defeats him. What you say isn't quite right.Quote:
Originally Posted by kordhaldrum
It's like Pikachu whenever a new season of the Pokémon anime comes up where it goes back to being so weak and puny when it has defeated a lot of very strong opponents in the past episodes. -
10-21-2017, 09:25 AMBillyKaplanThere's the simple explanation that strong as we were, we were always confined to within Eorzea, and the world is bigger and wider than even a thousand years of prayer to a false mythos. Zenos might just have been that strong, having been bred since birth for battle. Then there IS the fact that, uh, he did have the Echo. You're downplaying him by saying it's artificial, but few other opponents we fought had the Echo on top of it all. Mind you, Zenos was strong enough not to summon a Primal into himself like Iceheart, but took a fully formed Primal, one of the strongest we faced, and took complete control of it. Meanwhile, with the exception of this one single outlier person, we were the same force to be reckoned with throughout the expansion as we were up to this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinnertime
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10-21-2017, 09:37 AMHikurasZenos only won those 2 times cause 1. Plot and 2. he was level 70 while we were not. If Zeno REALLY wanted to make an impact he should've been able to kill us and part of the plot should've been us coming back from the lifestream. THAT would've made him more impactful... instead of just being lol 70 so we can't beat him until we hit 70. I wanted to like him.. I really did... but he just didn't hit the mark for me. If he was so strong and ruthless he should've killed us on the first fight. He failed in my opinion. And was only the winner cause he was 70 when he fought us both times.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyKaplan
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10-21-2017, 09:48 AMDarkstrideAlthough it is a less popular game, The Secret World (now Secret World Legends) disregards the "one chosen hero" storyline. You are one of many (the entire player character community) that were imbued with power as a sort of antivirus to the Filth (the enemy). You aren't special, you're just some random guy. Everyone else is just some random guy (or girl). You're all trying to uncover what is eating away at the world and making choices on the best course of action to save it. You're even spoken to by some other characters as if you are expendable or just a useful tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kragon
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10-21-2017, 09:56 AMdinnertimeIt's artificial because it is, but I never implied it to be weak compared to the real one.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyKaplan
I do think he shouldn't be that strong at first because most fights in the story so far were done solo as the story implied, but then he got a LOT stronger after obtaining that mysterious sword Yotsuyu gave to him, and at that point the power probably made him strong enough to control Shinryu. That's what I think at least.
It took the WoL inviting his adventurer friends (again, correct me if I'm wrong, because I remember Lyse saying to invite "friends" when we're about to go do the Ala Mhigo dungeon) to defeat him and him controlling Shinryu.
Or that I am actually just underestimating him, or that the artificial/manufactured Echo is more powerful than I thought. -
10-21-2017, 12:19 PMNinjaTaru72
I get where your coming from op.
I'm looking forward to ashes of creation. It's supposed to be a nice mmo where we're all just a big community across the world, working together, or fighting each other. It looks promising. -
10-21-2017, 12:24 PMValkyrie_LennethAshes needs a LOT of polishing. I played the demo they had at PAX, and it was very unfinished. Even the combat wasn't done.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72
I don't get why people don't like the hero bit. You can only be a normal adventurer for so long unless you do absolutely nothing for the greater good. -
10-21-2017, 01:06 PMBourne_EndeavorThis just doesn't work. How do the writers justify any of the Primals, Shinryu, Thordan or essentially any major fight that are all intrinsically tied to the story? A hapless adventurer wouldn't just stumble onto Titan's domain. And even if they did, once we defeated him, well, we're famous once again. The average adventure just... isn't a compelling story. Skyrim, for instance, has a downright awful narration more often than not despite its immersive world. If you want that style of game, it won't come from a Final Fantasy title where the entire point is to focus on specific characters and highlight their larger than life journey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kragon