Did you know not performing as you think another player should in a group

You reminded me of another incident where my party had to kick someone. I was running Dusk Vigil with a friend who was leveling a new tank, myself as healer, and another friend as dps. The fourth party member was dogging me to dps despite the fact that the tank was undergeared (and either a warrior or dark knight, he was squishy af). Even though I explained that a focus on dps would possibly end in wipes and I wanted to focus on support, he still bugged me until halfway through the dungeon, he says "Well it's too bad you can't kick me, I'm going to bug you the whole dungeon." Well, guess what?

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Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

I wonder where OP went...

https://i.imgur.com/oiaSNUs.png

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Not everyone has the time and willpower to debate with every single person who disagrees with him for 6 hours straight.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Insisting on doing something opposite of what 2+ people in the party are asking you to do is harassment. Easily.Now your title is a big ambiguous; there's a difference between "performing as you think" and "acting as you think". You can't legitimately kick someone for low dps (blah blah parsing is bad, don't talk about it etc). But that's different than saying "hey we're fighting 4+ mobs at once, you should be using your aoe rotation". If they're willfully using the wrong skills for the situation they're willfully making your run longer, and that's the core of what harassment is.



I keep seeing this idea pop up, so gonna bold a correction here:

You need 2 votes to kick someone, and that's counting the person initiating it. You do not need 3 people to agree to kick someone from a 4-man dungeon. Same goes for 8-mans: 4 votes needed, again including the initiator. So in 4-man, 2 people can vote no and it still goes through. In 8-man, 4 people can vote no and it still goes through.

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I had this happen before but say 5/8 people insist of doing a fight wrong, that leads to a wipe every time, how is the one person not in the premade harassing them in telling them how it is done, but the premade wants to keep failing? So you kick the one person trying to things properly on the grounds of harassment just because it goes against the majority?

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Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

I wonder where OP went...

https://i.imgur.com/oiaSNUs.png

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I dunno but I laughed for like 30 minutes at this XDDDDDD.

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Originally Posted by ArcanoJones

I remember the old days when I first started playing MMOs. People would take there time. They would talk. It was a social event. It was an adventure. I go into PUGs now. Nobody says a word to anyone as the entire group speedruns the dungeon. I sure miss those old days playing Everyquest and WOW when it first came out of 2006. Those where the MMO heyday. Now nobody says a word to you and most people ar enot helpful and will kick you out of the group at the slightest provocation. However I have met some nice people in groups so I am not saying everybody is that way. But it seems the majority are.

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I'm kinda with you. I love XIV and don't need all aspects of classic MMOs, but this is an apt image to compare modern MMOs to the old ones:

http://images.mmorpg.com/images/gall...3c7dacc7be.jpg

I never expect ppl from DF to do awesome job.
As long as they know the basics and can perform at least mediocre or even lower than mediocre.It's fine FOR ME.
Ice mage,Full-thrust dragoon, Spam ruins SMN,i won't vote them but if other member want to kick them then I'll go with yes.
well,I'm not the one to start vote kick though.

People keep putting on their rose-colored glasses about how we used to be so friendly, and take our time, and so on and so forth but they're forgetting one VERY important detail. In those older MMOs, you lived and died by your reputation. Even if we "took our time", if you didn't do your role right, you were replaced. Failed as a puller? Replaced. Broke CCs? Replaced. And then the server would know that you were terrible, and you'd end up struggling to find a group. Back in those days, a Blacklist was more than just a place to stick gil sellers. With the advent of an automatic group finder, we no longer have the luxury of being able to shun the dregs of the community. We're forced into every piece of content with them, the instant we hit that join button, unless we bring a full group, which, to nobody's surprise, a lot of people do. Our mentality hasn't changed, only the way we access our content has. But, because of those changes, players no longer feel responsible for their own actions. No more, does a player have to perform to basic expectations. They can AFK, and autoattack, and what happens? They just find another group. And another. And another. And all we have to defend against that sort of toxic mentality is the vote kick button, and even that has more limitations than it really should.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

I keep seeing this idea pop up, so gonna bold a correction here:

You need 2 votes to kick someone, and that's counting the person initiating it. You do not need 3 people to agree to kick someone from a 4-man dungeon. Same goes for 8-mans: 4 votes needed, again including the initiator. So in 4-man, 2 people 1 person can vote no and it still goes through. In 8-man, 4 people 3 people can vote no and it still goes through.

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The person up for dismissal doesn't even see the vote happening, let alone get to participate in the vote. Assuming the members of the party who queued together vote in agreement, they'd still need 3/4 or 5/8 members preformed in order for the group to have uncontestable kick control (or kicktatorship, if you will).

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Originally Posted by Friske

Not everyone has the time and willpower to debate with every single person who disagrees with him for 6 hours straight.

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Post count plays a part too...

Wnen it comes to the Duty Finder, I always keep this in mind:

- Expect the worst, hope for the best when playing with randoms.

- If someone is underpreforming, tell them, give them tips on how they can improve. If they wont do this, then either ignore and finish the dungeon or kick them out.

Fun is subjective. Jusr, because someone likes to play as Ice Mage or Thunder Mage (never seen this before, like wtf?), does not mean that their idea of fun should ruin my idea (which is to not carry slackers) of fun. If someone gets kicked, this means that majority of the group agrees that you need to leave.

System works.