After years of playing Summoner, I'm shelving the job and here's why.

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Originally Posted by Schondetta

I appreciate you trying to keep it real but just ignore this player. I reported them for there rude posts the best we can do is ignore them and move on and carry the topic at hand.

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@angry_evil

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Originally Posted by Gallus

6 - SMN in 4.0 is too simple! We are ruin mages I'm getting bored make this harder SE! /SMN is too hard SE! There's too much difference between good SMNs and bad SMNs check fflogs!

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I also have to agree that I'm embarrassed to be part of the summoner community as they continue to be the biggest bunch of sorry whine asses. The disparity in fflogs is simple proof that there are people who actually understood that this expansion was about CHANGE in battle design and accepted that fact and learned to play their class. And then there is the rest of the people who rather just come to the forum and moan because they can't kill the SSS dummies and immediately say the class is broken without trying to understand what they are doing wrong.


Really guys the class is not harder to play, it's more complex than before but that makes it more fun imo. And planning your burst phases around mechanics just means you have to learn the fights.

Maybe it's just me but I honestly don't want my class to be faceroll easy. Leave my class alone.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

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Really guys the class is not harder to play, it's more complex than before but that makes it more fun imo. And planning your burst phases around mechanics just means you have to learn the fights.

Maybe it's just me but I honestly don't want my class to be faceroll easy. Leave my class alone.

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Right, because I love to do so much work for sub par dps/s

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Originally Posted by paradigmfellow

Right, because I love to do so much work for sub par dps/s

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I mean, Eirene's detailed post shows it's so much work for Samurai quality levels of damage so...

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

I mean, Eirene's detailed post shows it's so much work for Samurai quality levels of damage so...

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Have you seen the discrepancies between SMNs and SAM in FFlogs? You can work your butt off with SAM and it feels rewarding. You work your but off with SMN and you have to pray to god that you don't eff up once and hope you are not dead last.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

Really guys the class is not harder to play, it's more complex than before but that makes it more fun imo. And planning your burst phases around mechanics just means you have to learn the fights.

Maybe it's just me but I honestly don't want my class to be faceroll easy. Leave my class alone.

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Show your 4k parses if it's so easy...
It's also not really more complex but more annoying.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

I mean, Eirene's detailed post shows it's so much work for Samurai quality levels of damage so...

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There's no samurai quality levels of damage for summoners...

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Originally Posted by Angry_Evil

Show your 4k parses if it's so easy...

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I was hoping you caught that.

Hey man, blame the encounters for that, and that doesn't mean the Summoner doesn't need help, but don't go spreading false information.

Are Summoners capable of high damage, yes.

Is it pound for pound for effort, no.

Be (rightfully) indignant all you want, but don't be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Hey man, blame the encounters for that, and that doesn't mean the Summoner doesn't need help, but don't go spreading false information.

Are Summoners capable of high damage, yes.

Is it pound for pound for effort, no.

Be (rightfully) indignant all you want, but don't be wrong.

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Encounters? What are you getting info about SMN dmg from SSS DUMMY videos or something?

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Eirene SNow's guide is good, but it actually made me realize how poorly designed 4.0 smn is lol...
And even he can't reach SAM levels of dps

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Originally Posted by Angry_Evil

Encounters? What are you getting info about SMN dmg from SSS DUMMY videos or something?

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Eirene SNow's guide is good, but it actually made me realize how poorly designed 4.0 smn is lol...
And even he can't reach SAM levels of dps

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Yes, the encounters matter in determining a class's "FFLOGs dps". Being capable and being allowed to do the damage your class has the potential to is the problem.

Remember back in 3.0 when Warriors were proclaimed 'OVerpowered DPS'? What were the encounters people were drawing from? Ravana and Bismarck, encounters that favored classes who could unload in short duration burst phases. (Warriors)

Summoner -has- the potential to deal more damage than Red Mages, Black Mages, etc, but the effort involved for many simply isn't worth the return, especially if you're fighting against mechanics that cause the very intricate timer-balance you're working for to overlap or be interrupted in any way.

We need to be clear here. I think Summoner needs help as much as anyone else, but make sure the information is correct. Spreading the "Summoner does no damage' argument is wrong, plain and simple. They are -capable- of some of the highest, but rarely are allowed to reach it. "Doing no damage" feedback only leads to potency bonuses, which doesn't help the core problem at all.