So I heard you wanted a Hellhound Mount....well..

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

This, i've played a few MMOs and most people who play PVP on them think they're pro if they are on leaderboards, meanwhile if they go to ANY real Esports game, they're nobody.

Healing in Feast isn't that hard when you have classes like AST that can move and heal, or BLM that sleeps, or PLD that stuns for 1 minute, where's the skill in this? Seriously?

Not to mention the LB in the Feast that's pretty much one shot to whoever has the most medals.

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Seems like you are trying to convince yourself that they aren't a better player than you. :S

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

FFXIV does not have some magical, unique pvp that differs from every other MMO game. it's faceroll boring, which is why i stopped dealing with it. yes it takes "skill" but on a very low tier level that is quick to learn. You want skilled competition? try a fighting game, where actual real skill comes into play.

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It's always hilarious when people with zero clue about PvP try to trashtalk it because exclusive rewards they can't get apparently hurt their feelings. I could just do a Yoshi P on you and tell you to "git gud" but tbh, if you could, you would.
"lower your opponets health before yours, It's not rocket science.", really? The exact same sentence could be applied to every single savage raid, that doesn't make most of them easy. If you don't enjoy PvP, for whatever reasons, that's your cup of tea but trying to badmouth it at its base without ever having accomplished anything in that regard is pretty sad. Gotta love entitled and ignorant casuals trying to sound like they know sh*t while not even having the guts to post on their main. Like, who are you?

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Originally Posted by aeoncs

It's always hilarious when people with zero clue about PvP try to trashtalk it because exclusive rewards they can't get apparently hurt their feelings. I could just do a Yoshi P on you and tell you to "git gud" but tbh, if you could, you would."lower your opponets health before yours, It's not rocket science.", really? The exact same sentence could be applied to every single savage raid, that doesn't make most of them easy. If you don't enjoy PvP, for whatever reasons, that's your cup of tea but trying to badmouth it at its base without ever having accomplished anything in that regard is pretty sad. Gotta love entitled and ignorant casuals trying to sound like they know sh*t while not even having the guts to post on their main. Like, who are you?

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It's always hilarious when a clueless person thinks when their precious content is criticized they automaticaly default to thinking people are "jealous" for not getting some boring mount exclusive to it that i might add i had no interest in whatsoever, even if it was cash shop or a drop from 1 fight, and even more funny that they think it hurts feelings for whatever reason.

And then use the git gud, as if pvp requires some mass amount of tactical thinking. it's like asking someone to git gud at kicking a can. regardless, You clearly did not read the post and just skimmed over it since your baby content was talked down about, as i told the last one. it's not near raid content, That is already pretty clear due to the lack of popularity of PVP in an MMO, you'll "master" pvp content far quicker then say someone trying to master new savage content, Get over your self, if you find it fun, that is fine, but trying to act like it requires some grand players to do is pretty silly.

Oh, and of course, "dude who are you, show your face, who is your main WHO ARE YOU" yea, it feels like you just called a kid's team trash and they start throwing bottles at you, yelling whatever team you like is trash.

Are you serious with this post?

No clue about pvp? yea because it's not about PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER, yea i am completely clueless on what it was. You got me. Because as everyone know, pvp can mean a large number of different things, and only a select few will know of it's true nature and meaning.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Seems like you are trying to convince yourself that they aren't a better player than you. :S

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Somebody got salty with facts, hint: wasn't me.

PVP In this game doesn't have MMR, or i'd like to see you say that again. (^^,)

I like how people think PVP in this game requires a lot of skill when there's these factors:

- Win trading
- Serious balance issues even after nerfs
- People with less than 50% Win rate are in Leaderbords, even in top 10, which proves that people can simply grind until they are in the Lederboards which nullifies the argument of "Skill".
- There's a miserable amount of people playing Feast, must be though competition, cough.

If the Leaderboards were based on MMR/Win Rate you wouldn't have that head of yours, simple as that.

But of course people are going to defend the illusion of this requires a lot of skill "coz I play it".

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

- People with less than 50% Win rate are in Leaderbords, even in top 10, which proves that people can simply grind until they are in the Lederboards which nullifies the argument of "Skill".

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Shows how low your understanding is about PVP in general. In Ranked Feast a win or loss generates roughly the same amount of gained or lost points. Simply put you win you gain 25 points and if you lose you lose 25 points. Actual percentages don't mean anything beyond the fact that you've reached a rating that you are able to achieve AND maintain. People just starting out will naturally have a higher winrate than 50%. Once they reach a rating that best reflects their skill, the more games they play beyond that will start to drag their rating down towards 50%.

So you are naturally just flat out wrong.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

it's not the only one and there is nothing "unique" about it, as its another reskin, but as you said pvpers do need something to make them feel special, especially for those with not enough skill to do raid content, and pvp is there since it requires a lot less.

But they do have other mounts.

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Damn.. you are a really salty Person. Wasnt PvE just learning some patterns? Every PvP match is different but yeah... you really need to relax a bit more.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Shows how low your understanding is about PVP in general.

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I like how you skip most of of the facts because you know you can't counter them, then you find something to brag about and you decide to comment, typical PVP player.

Anyway, PVP isn't just the Feast, the was Wolves Den before it, there was Frontlines before Feast as well, then suddenly a new mode is released and people self entitle themselves as Pro or true skilled and PVE players don't need as much skill.

Yet i don't see the people who say that in World First groups, so much for "skill".

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Originally Posted by Aviars

In Ranked Feast a win or loss generates roughly the same amount of gained or lost points. Simply put you win you gain 25 points and if you lose you lose 25 points. Actual percentages don't mean anything beyond the fact that you've reached a rating that you are able to achieve AND maintain.

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Not really for a simple reason, if you keep winning your win rate remains high, obviously the more games you play the less increase in win percentage there will be, basic math.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

People just starting out will naturally have a higher winrate than 50%. Once they reach a rating that best reflects their skill, the more games they play beyond that will start to drag their rating down towards 50%.

So you are naturally just flat out wrong.

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That still doesn't change the fact that if you lose a match you lose Win Rate %, therefor it still lowers your Win Rate %.

I also forgot to mention that there's a LOT of Silvers in the Leaderboards, so much for skill.

It is actually sad that you didn't take anything of value from my post and interpreted it in the worst way possible. You made the claim that having a win-rate close to 50% means it takes no skill, in fact it only means you've reached the point to where you can't carry the other people in your team anymore, at least in Solo play. So the fact that people in the top 10 have close to 50% only means they decided to play more games when they've reached a rating they can maintain.

I also didn't respond to your other points because they were just flat out delusional, but i'll bite just to smack you down.

1. Wintrading: Non-existant in solo que, and they've banned the wintraders on Chaos and Aether party ques. So just wrong.

2. Imbalance: It honestly doesn't matter. If you believe there is imbalance then why don't you play the imbalanced class? Oh, you'll probably say 'I'm not as good at that class!' Well that would be you admitting there is such a thing as skill........ Who would've thought right? You complaining about there being no skill in PVP is just a way for you to cope with the fact that you aren't capable of getting the rewards ;/. I actually feel bad for you man. Delusion is real

3. Lack of Players: Again, player numbers don't relate to skill in the slightest. If anything it's a result of people who don't believe they are good enough not bothering to play or people like you who make excuses as to why you wouldn't be in the top 100 and end up not playing. There is also the fact that beyond top 100 there isn't much reason to play because the rewards for the majority are really bad, so people just end up not wasting their time, or they just don't like the rewards.

Also you mention the fact that there are a lot of silvers on the leaderboard. Yea that's a fact. A lot of people on the leaderboard aren't that great. But you saying that noobs can get in the leaderboard then shouldn't it be easy for a great player like you to get top 100? Why would you whine if that was the case? Oh right, probably because you aren't as good as you think and have to jump through hoops to make up a reason as to why you aren't capable. I love how a lot of your arguments include admitting there is a skill factor going on with the leaderboards while at the same time denying there is skill..... Pretty sad man, I wouldn't want to be you.

I also want to add that the MMR in this game is the rating you see in your PVP profile. In Solo que the people you get paired with and against is directly done based on your rating. So another reason why your are just ignorant about PVP

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Originally Posted by Aviars

i'll bite just to smack you down.

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Thanks, you proved my point with this comment.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

1. Wintrading: Non-existant in solo que, and they've banned the wintraders on Chaos and Aether party ques. So just wrong.

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Doesn't matter, it happened so it's a valid statement, banned or not they still ruined the games for other people.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

2. Imbalance: It honestly doesn't matter.

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Aviars -2016

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Originally Posted by Aviars

3. Lack of Players: Again, player numbers don't relate to skill in the slightest.

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If there was a lot more players with high skill it would be much harder for you to get wins, how doesn't it relate to skill?

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Delusion is real

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Indeed.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Also you mention the fact that there are a lot of silvers on the leaderboard. Yea that's a fact. A lot of people on the leaderboard aren't that great. But you saying that noobs can get in the leaderboard then shouldn't it be easy for a great player like you to get top 100?

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I never called anyone noob, i simply used sarcasm when PVP players started to bash PVE ones that Savage doesn't need as much skill as PVP.

I don't play Feast anymore, rewards are bad, just like you also admitted, i don't need to get into Leaderboards for epeen or to prove tryhards because they can't take facts, i feel sad for those who do for epeen, but generally that's PVP players.

Go to a game like CSGO, or LoL, or DOTA for example and get yourself a name, and then come here say you're skilled when you play PVP in a game with half a dozen competitors and even playing unbalanced classes for easy advantage.

It's funny how all of your responses are dismissive one liners that don't address the argument, and not only that you gutted my responses in your quoting of me to make it look different.

Pretty much shows how YOU can't address a argument and are actually admitting that you are wrong ;^)

Really sad buddy.

Anyway you say you don't care about rewards but the very fact you are lashing out so badly proves that it you actually do care. It just INFURIATES you that people with more talent are getting something exclusive. It actually just makes these rewards all the more sweeter.

I also REALLY enjoy your last comment about getting good in other games like CSGO. You are trying so hard to diminish achievement in this game because you aren't as good. It's really sad.