add an in game parser please!!!

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Dream all you like. I'll tell you what, show it to me when it happens. Just a suggestion for the parser crowd, don't hold your breath.

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Parsers are already here. Only console players don't have any access to them. At this point, creating an official parser would only restore balance between consoles and PC on that subject.

and before the "wah wah PC players don't use parsers either", I don't know of any serious end game PC player who isn't using a parser. Because it's mandatory if you want to improve yourself without being babysat by someone else having a parser.


Not to mention that the DPS are currently the only role not being accountable for being bad. You are able to scold bad tanks (losing aggro, no CD, etc). You are able to scold bad healers (people dropping dead from normal damage, heavy overhealing, etc). But god forbid you scold a bad dps. That's a one-way ticket to a ban.

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Originally Posted by pushin_tin

But raise your hand if you've played MCH/BRD absolutely kicking ass but your DPS partner(s) are completely underperforming and you die to low DPS/boss takes noticeably longer, resulting in YOU being kicked or harassed because "brd dps low/mch bad dps".

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I will raise my hand, it's here, for example. If we had a parser, I could show raw numbers proving that no, it was not my fault. But I don't have anything legal in game to prove that.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Parsers are already here. Only console players don't have any access to them. At this point, creating an official parser would only restore balance between consoles and PC on that subject.

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Oh my what a NEWS FLASH. I never read that here on this forum before. Thank you soooooo much for telling me.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

how does that solve the problem though, that just divides the community even more between those that want it ended in 5 minutes and those that end it in an hour (using your example).

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The problem solves itself. If you put something that create competition, then problems arises. IF you put dps check in fight (the mistake made by devs) then obviously you start creating division, people who wants to kick others for not performing optimal. This started a domino effect that produced 1) A toxic community 2) elitist attitude 3) unfun content where the brain of people is more focused on numbers rather than enjoyin the fights.

Back then it wasnt like this, the whole concept of enrage/dps check (because basically a dps check is an enrage penalty if you dont succeed) didnt exist. For example you could fight a mob with DIFFERENT combination of party setup (and this is a plus because it gives you freedom to play with whom you want, friends, experiment setups, duo, trio, solo, go in 20, do whatever players want to have fun) and still succeed. The battle was designed in a totally different way, not including a enrage/dps check.

Example when you get a mob under a HP% it starts to get very hard, so its mechanic becomes harder, but not enrage or dps check, this is just wrong design. Of course the example of Pandemonium Warden was the opposite way, it shouldnt be THAT hard, but you can apply this to everything.

Make mobs mechanic harder, they gets more harder and punishing but dont put walls in fights because that is what frustrate people, makes community toxic, break set parties, make people rage, and create this crap that is going on. This is a MMO PVE oriented, not a competitive game, so everything that creates a competitive discriminating environment on game design is plain stupid imo.

Not that it matters but if you are wondering i am one of these people who always strived and played ultra hardcore, raids and what not, you name it. I know very well this topic.

Its just not fun, people have lost the fun because the amount of stress (savage statics, idk you but i've never seen so many people jump server, break partes, rage, quit, like this savage era) dps/enrage wall put on the fight. You need to give players freedom to play as they like. if they want to go with 3 healers, let them. This whole black box gamestyle where you can only play by "devs - meta" rules, is frankly stupid, and believe or not this dps/enrage is what contributed the most to create a toxic and discriminating community like this, hand to hand with the weekly lockout.

But that is just my opinion, if you read all the reactions and posts in here, problems people arise, you will see that they are all related to these things, toxic, elitism, dps check, lack of patience, parsing problems to check if your dps are optimal, and guess what is the source of it :)

I quit ffxi when max level was 75, and i dont recall a single fight with dps/enrage check. Idk if they introduced it later on, but i remember that these were goddamn fun fights. (just an example, there are many more games).
And to fully answer to your question, it solves the problem by giving players freedom to choose (thing that we dont have atm). You can pick between going with a group that clears in 4 minutes, or go with a group that isnt that dps capable but still clear the mechanic in 1 hour. IT doesnt take anything off anybody. While this dps/check prevent the second type of person to clear the content and enjoy the game.


/peace

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Oh my what a NEWS FLASH. I never read that here on this forum before. Thank you soooooo much for telling me.

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you seemed to so willfully ignore that point that it appeared important to renew it, juste in case

Toxic people are just toxic. People run third party parsers whether you know or you don't, ever wonder why that tank left the group after the first boss? 8/10 was because he wasn't pleased with dps.

In-game parsers would segregate groups, may force people to improve (God-forbid it) and maybe more people would be able to clear dos checks (btw, dps checks were introduced with pandemonium warden cause people who like to take hours to finish a fight reported that they took 18 hours to just give up...bad press from players who need a sense of limitation...I mean who the hell is going to keep trying for 18 hours...lol those PPP items weren't even hard to get)

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Oh my what a NEWS FLASH.

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You know, your posts recently... kind of prodded people to tell you.
I'll paraphrase:

You: There will never be parsers.
Others: You mean, there will never be parsers for consoles. We already have them on PC.
You: Pfft, prove it.
Others: Parsers exist. It's just not fair for console players.
You: *obvious sarcasm* Oh my, I never knew they existed.

...You see how your posts (and the posts you replied to) can be interpreted?

And no, that's not precisely what you posted, but when you say, "I'll tell you what, show it to me when it happens," in response to someone saying that it's only console players who don't have parsers, and that they're not likely to take PC parsers away (because apart from some heavy re-coding and stuff, I can't see how that'd be possible), it kind of indicates that you're saying, "I don't believe PC parsers exist."

(And before you assume: I actually don't use a parser. The closest I've come is through the Overwolf overlay, just to be able to tell more easily who's talking over teamspeak, since I still can't tell all the voices apart.)

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Originally Posted by Eylirria

Are you guys ready for a radical idea?
On how to solve DPS-meter based harassment?

Here's a radical idea: Don't be bad.

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An oversimplification. Parsers don't take into account the different ilevels of the characters. Will people be called out as :bad: for simply having lesser gear?

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

An oversimplification. Parsers don't take into account the different ilevels of the characters. Will people be called out as :bad: for simply having lesser gear?

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we're not talking "900 instead of 1100" bad, we're talking "500 instead of 1200" bad. Yes they exist. I keep getting them in my expert roulette, or in alexander midas.

edit : mind you, the "900 instead of 1100" isn't even bad. Sub-performing, maybe. Depends on the gear. But bad ? That would be being a prick over nothing for 99% of the available content.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

we're not talking "900 instead of 1100" bad, we're talking "500 instead of 1200" bad. Yes they exist. I keep getting them in my expert roulette, or in alexander midas.

edit : mind you, the "900 instead of 1100" isn't even bad. Sub-performing, maybe. Depends on the gear. But bad ? That would be being a prick over nothing for 99% of the available content.

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500 dps is amazing you know! Only the best monks could dps that high in I110 on t8!