I've permanently solved The Wanderer's Minuet problem...

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I leveled up machinist first before bard, and the problems with WM being slapped on bard is extremely evident right after getting it. The constant disconnects trying to weave oGCd feels very unnatural and very fragmented, compared to machinist where if you never put yourself in a position of doubling up and causing those pauses (whereas bard can't really afford to delay bloodletter, and not doing so will delay their weaponskill). Even after adapting to WM, it doesn't change the fact that bard feels much slower than it was before, and those pauses when my GCD is off cooldown is just, ugh.

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Originally Posted by Dhex

Our Bard does 1100dps whenever we attempt Savage and boosts our BLM from a steady 1100 to a solid 1300+ with Foe they also top off Healer MP during jump phase of Oppressor - all around damn useful.


Sounds like you need a tissue for your personal issue OP.

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Yea im a tank main war pld 60 drk55 and i don't under stand these rants by bards about Wm. My static runs with 2. Bard's and same they both pull about 1kplus in savage. Ran Bismark ex to help friend clear with 3 bard's the pug dps was like this isn't going to happen, I told him to shut up and do his job. All adds were dead before bismarks spine was targetable.

I figure if they want to quit the class, so be it. The less bad bard's. The better

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Originally Posted by Tyrial

Or you could stop being Chicken Little (The sky is falling!) and actually adjust to the changes that were made to your job.

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and YOU could stop being a contrarian tit and comprehend that a fundamental removal of what made the job attractive to people is actually kind of obnoxious.

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Originally Posted by RyuRoots

and YOU could stop being a contrarian tit and comprehend that a fundamental removal of what made the job attractive to people is actually kind of obnoxious.

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Tbh what was originally meant to make the job attractive to people was the support, thats bards thing, running and gunning was just a nice little bonus.

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

No thanks. I have a BLM and when BRD plays just like it but with far less damage, then what's the point in even playing it?

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Because a 1.5 cast time is exactly the same as a 2.5-3 second cast. WM BRD and BLM are nothing alike.

actually brd dps isn't that far off a blm, maybe 60-70, if you're going to ignore the fundamental mechanics of the class then yeah your dps is going to be garbage, changing classes won't help you.

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Originally Posted by RyuRoots

and YOU could stop being a contrarian tit and comprehend that a fundamental removal of what made the job attractive to people is actually kind of obnoxious.

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Except the "fundamentals" of BRD were always party support mixed with DPS...not jump around like a lunatic while mashing all your hot keys when they light up and maybe sing a song if it's convenient for you and won't drop your DPS.

Also, tits are great, thanks for the compliment!

Huh, I thought I logged out of facebook.

I'm amused to see that some people think the issue is entirely about movement. It may be part of it, but a large part of the problem with WM is the gameplay changes. To quote someone who succinctly summed up the problem:

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For WM here, the need to stand still wasn't too big of a deal for me because I didn't move around that much in FCoB or any content really. The introduction of a cast bar though, puts in some very unfavorable interactions with how bard functioned in 2.0. Their oGCDs start clipping with each other and now their gameflow feels extremely fragmented when you (and you will) double up on a oGCD inbetween a weaponskill because of a bloodletter reset. It's impossible to catch straighter shot procs unless you purposely delay your weapon skill (and using a oGCD inbetween doesn't help either), and repelling shot will interrupt your cast time if you're under the influence of fey wind or just straight up have too much SkS from gear/weapon. And then there's the animations...when you look at ones like empyreal arrow and windbite you can clearly tell they were not meant to clip into an oGCD at the start of their animation... Bard went from a fast-paced reactive-proc class to a slower-pace who can't pick up on half of their reactive procs

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If you still think you're super elite and think they need to adjust, think of a ham-fisted change to your favorite job. Now picture yourself reacting to said ham-fisted change. That's how some BRD mains feel about WM.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

You can blame the bean-counters and parsers for this. If a job can't outparse the flavor-of-the-month job, it's shunned by the elitist forums and the sheep follow suit. Afterwards, S-E is compelled to make the job desirable to these malcontents.

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I'd chalk this up to the smaller metagame FFXIV uses to balance jobs rather than the number crunchers. Looking at WoW (because we're on the topic of healers):

Holy Priests: Direct heals, AoE heals, AoE cleanse
Discipline Priests: Barriers, effects that increase healing received
Resto Druid: HoTs, abilities that make HoTs detonate into big heals, channeled AoE heals
Resto Shaman: PBAOE HoTs (Healing Stream Totem), Smart heals (targeted heals that heal target and 2 additional allies with lowest HP), direct heals
Holy Paladin: Conal AoE heals, reliance on crit heals, Beacon of Light (basically Clemency but as a permanent buff and can be placed on an ally)
Mistweaver Monk: Placed healing bubbles (kind of like the exploding balls in A4, but they heal you when you run into them), channeled heals, smart heals via their statue

There may be common denominators between these 6 healing classes (all can rez, all can cleanse debuffs, all have some form of direct healing), but they are largely defined by aesthetics and mechanics. This is the direction I was sort of hoping they would take. I can't think of any raid that would turn away any of these healers away, and at least in my time spent raiding, all fit within the meta well enough.

BLM was the easiest job to play, now it's a little more complicated thanks to Enochian (watch both of my buff timers, remaining MP AND judge how long a cast will be). I still love BLM.