Gender Swapped DRK and Gunner Fan Art

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Originally Posted by Pavise

This thread is tumblr'ing out of control. Please stop.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who sensed the warning signs in this thread. I already stated my views in both the DRG thread and the DRK thread, so I'll refrain from repeating myself. Personally, I think people should just stop being so damn sensitive to this subject in general and focus on the more important issues this game has, like the RMT spam.

To the OP, nice work on that stuff, lol. I'd imagine that if the DRK armor somehow ended up being skimpy on female characters, that'd be a close example to how it'd be. But since this is TANK armor we speak of, I don't see it happening really. But eh.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

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Your argument would be more accurate if every armor in XIV for women was the "Sexy" armor variants, but its not, and its not even close. This game has plenty of armor, I'd say the majority of armor, that is not even remotely scantily clad for women. There is both fanservice and conservative armor in XIV true, but in some of the cases if the armor is scanty for women, it is for men too (Gladiator's for instance). The exception to these being stuff like NIN and DRG AF which I've admitted was just silly. Very rarely are other armor choices in XIV super sexified and revealing for one sex exclusively. Heavy armor in general (Tank armor) is pretty much unisex. Trashcans for all.

Yes, some games out there are ridiculous when it comes to armor choices and if anyone read my first post (hint they didn't) they would see I find these options absurd sometimes because it takes it too far, but XIV is by and far one of the most fair MMOs I've played when it comes to attire options.

Personally when I chose my armor I chose what looks cool, and I find in almost every case armor is identical on men and women. Soldiery, poetics, my Fistfighters jacker and the I.100 dungeon armor... I find that in almost all cases armor is nearly indentical. I think AF for these jobs will be different in small ways but I don't think we'll have anything close to the NIN/DRG debacle.

Also, I agree that AF armor should essentially be unisex. Seriously, I come from FFXI, this is what NIN and DRG armor were there, both sexes shown

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20070420152123

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20070418094611

The only difference being the Pants on either, a "Tights/fishnet" for women and a "Hakama" for men with NIN, and the slight skin showing on the female DRG pants... but in XIV I felt my NIN AF was worthless for glamour because of the boob window, it just looked stupid. If it wasn't so "IF YOU'RE NOT WITH ME 100% YOU'RE AGAINST ME!" you'd see I essentially agree with most points.

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Originally Posted by BlaiseArath

The exception to these being stuff like NIN and DRG AF which I've admitted was just silly.

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I think there's some kind of cultural misstep that we're unaware of when it comes to the design aspect of these two armor sets. While the DRG AF still confuses me a little, I know that the Japanese ideal of female ninja is different than it is for males, and I think that's reflected a little in the AF style change between the genders. I'm actually surprised the female AF gear didn't wind up with more fishnets.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

How dare women (and men) be annoyed at always having female characters in games being treated as nothing more than a walking pair of breasts, and having no options other than scantily clad robes, scantily clad leather gear, or scantily clad platekinis. Yes, what a travesty it would be to the straight men of the world to have no almost-naked females to oggle and harass in an MMO.

Sorry if I don't shed any tears over how those sort of people feel. Maybe it's the fact I and many other women are tired of having no choice in character or armor besides "sexy" or "pedobait sexy".

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The WoL, whether female or male, is treated the same way in this game, no matter how they decide to dress. In either case, we're kicking butt and people are either scared of us or look up to us. Nobody is being portrayed as a "walking pair of breasts", and as you surely noticed, there are tons upon tons of conservative options of attire to wear.

Referring to them as "those sort of people" shows quite clearly where you stand on this matter, and how highly you really value tolerance.

As you say, many people would rather not have other armor sets go down that route - but many other people would like to see just that. Start asking for OPTIONS, please. /bellywindow, for example, just like /visor works. There is no reason both male and female sets have to be one or the other at all. Stop trying to force your preferences on other people, no matter which preferences they may be.

If SE wants to add sexy options, that's fine, but I'd prefer if both males and females got the same option as opposed to men being completely covered and women tanking with their breasts out for the same exact armor set.

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Originally Posted by Teslo

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That is literally my point just in different words. I don't understand why people are not getting what I'm saying. Though I will admit that it seems I misspoke worth that one line everyone jumped on.

I'm also not actually speaking about this game when I talk about this stuff. FFXIV is pretty much what I want all games to be. The issues I'm talking about do not exist in this game and that is amazing and one of the reasons I play it.

I'm indifferent and like both. Regardless, it's SE's game and if I don't like the AF I'll glamor over it. If I like it, I'll keep it.

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Originally Posted by Arixtotle

And? Why should what men, usually straight white cis men, want matter?

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Reading through the comments.... bahahahahahahaha. Ok, why then why should your opinion matter? You are a vocal minority it seems, thus not where SE can make the most money from. Why should they cater to you? Also I love this thin veil of rightiousness covering a post of utter hate. Those are still people behind the labels you use to pigeonhole people into roles, types, and definitions.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

There is no reason both male and female sets have to be one or the other at all. Stop trying to force your preferences on other people, no matter which preferences they may be.

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I can't "Like" this comment enough.

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Originally Posted by Teslo

I think there's some kind of cultural misstep that we're unaware of when it comes to the design aspect of these two armor sets. While the DRG AF still confuses me a little, I know that the Japanese ideal of female ninja is different than it is for males, and I think that's reflected a little in the AF style change between the genders. I'm actually surprised the female AF gear didn't wind up with more fishnets.

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I edited my post a little with the NIN AF armor from FFXI, and the DRG armor from XI. They're essentially unisex, So it does baffle me a bit why its so different in XIV. Maybe I just really liked XI's NIN af :(

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Originally Posted by BlaiseArath

Yes, some games out there are ridiculous when it comes to armor choices and if anyone read my first post (hint they didn't) they would see I find these options absurd sometimes because it takes it too far, but XIV is by and far one of the most fair MMOs I've played when it comes to attire options.

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Just because they're relatively decent on their track record of not going TERA and making any female armor show 90% more skin than male armor, doesn't mean they aren't still at fault for when they do decide to have a vast disparity in appearance between male and female. Scylla, DRG AF, NIN AF, BRD AF, Evenstar, and probably more that I'm forgetting at the moment - that's still far too much, and made even worse by the fact they ARE so good at keeping armor relatively the same for both genders. Especially when it comes to the iconic FF gear that the AFs tend to represent, what even is the point in making such disparity and cutting out pieces of the gear for females other than just for some ridiculous sex appeal which ends up annoying a good portion of the game's population?

Make ridiculous gender-disparity all you want with dungeon or crafted gear, or heck do us all a favor and make all revealing female gear revealing on males too, the Twelve know I'd enjoy some more skin on my male characters. But don't cut out random bits and pieces of AF gear just so females will have the "sexy" version. It's ridiculous and unnecessary. And plenty of people in the DRK AF discussion thread aren't happy about the gendered differences in some of the AF pieces we have already.

If SE really wants to have females show skin for the purposes of showing skin and leaving huge gaping "Stab me here!" holes in their gear, then do so for males as well. Least then we'd all be dying in equal amounts.