XIV: P2P or F2P? XI never has Cash Shop, why XIV has?

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Originally Posted by Roris

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Tbh considering vanity an advantage is a bit silly. What are you gaining advantage over? Oh wow you have an ok looking body piece...now go clear Final Coil with nothing but that vanity armor on.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Tbh considering vanity an advantage is a bit silly. What are you gaining advantage over? Oh wow you have an ok looking body piece...now go clear Final Coil with nothing but that vanity armor on.

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Arguing for the sake of arguing really, when all they have to do is simply not purchase it to prove their point.

If people don't want to pay for it, they won't and SE will avoid adding more. Numbers don't lie.

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Originally Posted by Roris

Just because your gameplay doesn't involve collecting minions, mounts and other vanity items doesn't mean it's not part of the gameplay too. If they didn't want us to collect all the vanity stuff, then why put their systems and so many of them in the game in the first place, including guides to track the progress towards obtaining all of them?

Checkmate cash shopists.

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Do you remember when they originally revealed minions.

Basically what they said was, they were to be used as either rewards or fun things to collect, as they had a low production value.
If you ever once thought "They'd never add this to a cash-shop", then you clearly weren't here on launch with the rest of us.


I can understand that what you want to do is collect minions, mounts and maybe other stuff in the future, but if it hinges so much on the fact that you don't want to pay for it, then simply DO NOT pay for it.

Numbers speak louder than words in the world of business.

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Originally Posted by Roris

"Look I bought a cool horse and you don't have a cool horse, look at how cool my horse is and you don't have one but I do." While not everyone who purchases from a cash shop might think like this, it's one of the major obvious bases on which cash shops are built upon. People will buy shiny things to have more shiny things than others, therefore having an advantage at least collector or ego wise.

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It's something we just have to deal with or buy into.

I genuinely dislike it, but I know just from walking around and seeing the minions and mounts that it's here to stay and that they'll add more, so for now it's just a "WELP".
Once I see something I find worth the money I'll probably buy into it as well, there's literally no point in me or anyone arguing the fact.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Tbh considering vanity an advantage is a bit silly. What are you gaining advantage over? Oh wow you have an ok looking body piece...now go clear Final Coil with nothing but that vanity armor on.

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"Look I bought a cool horse and you don't have a cool horse, look at how cool my horse is and you don't have one but I do." While not everyone who purchases from a cash shop might think like this, it's one of the major obvious bases on which cash shops are built upon. People will buy shiny things to have more shiny things than others, therefore having an advantage at least collector or ego wise.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

Basically what they said was, they were to be used as either rewards or fun things to collect, as they had a low production value.
If you ever once thought "They'd never add this to a cash-shop", then you clearly weren't here on launch with the rest of us.

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Yes, the F2P safety net was really apparent since day one, no surprise there.

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Originally Posted by Roris

Just because you don't consider it an advantage so doesn't mean it isn't, so there goes that entire argument. Again, an advantage is an advantage, whether it provides a stat increase only in PvE/PvP or not. Besides mount and minion count is a stat in their respective guides, and it is indeed progression towards having the max amount of vanity items obtainable, so there you go.


Just because your gameplay doesn't involve collecting minions, mounts and other vanity items doesn't mean it's not part of the gameplay too. If they didn't want us to collect all the vanity stuff, then why put their systems and so many of them in the game in the first place, including guides to track the progress towards obtaining all of them?

Checkmate cash shopists.

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Checkmate? hahaha. I'm happy the cash shop is here. Hope you enjoy it too :)

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Originally Posted by Roris

"Look I bought a cool horse and you don't have a cool horse, look at how cool my horse is and you don't have one but I do."

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And then everybody eventually buys the cool horse and it becomes "That Retarded Pony"

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Originally Posted by Roris

therefore having an advantage at least collector or ego wise.

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So what you're saying is that all people who consider minion/vanity collecting as their "endgame" are all dick-waving egotists when they summon their minions and wear vanity armor? Your words, not mine.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

all people who consider minion/vanity collecting as their "endgame"

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Originally Posted by Roris

While not everyone

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If you wanna twist my words, sure.

If minion and mount collecting is your goal good for you but it's not p2w. Reposting cuz lazy (also cuz we don't need 20 threads about the same thing)

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Originally Posted by Izsha

Making up your own game in the sandbox portion of ffxiv doesn't make this p2w.

If I join front lines and decide the guy who does the most emotes wins the match and SE puts a new emote in the cash shop, guess I better come start 20 threads about how XIV is p2w! Protip: doesn't work that way. Your personal mini game you make up does not redefine the games win condition.

Ever notice that all mounts run the same speed? Or that pure vanity gear is all Lv 1? Or that minions don't assist you in any tangible way? (Crafting, battle, stats, etc). Because SE has made a deliberate choice to leave those things as purely aesthetic. Aesthetic is not p2w. You can make up your own personal goals but that has no bearing on p2w.

Where was this rage with CE mounts and minions? Oh that's right there wasn't any. Hipocrits. Redefining what the game to suite your argument doesn't magically make you right.

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Originally Posted by Izsha

If minion and mount collecting is your goal good for you but it's not p2w. Reposting cuz lazy (also cuz we don't need 20 threads about the same thing)

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The issue here (imo) is that you're assuming some malicious redefinition, people have the right to their own model given it can be proven with some accuracy. Sure these changed definitions do -not- match one popular form, that does not mean they couldn't be proven accurate to its construction (reading each word together).

Slapping Galka lu shang with Shioban is endless fun* and I'm sure what I attempted to say was lost in translation but anyone going to battle against opinion has already hit a wall.. I figure some people are bending it just to do it, but I have faith (anecdotal evidence ftw) that most are not being corrupt in their vision as much as it is just "their vision". They're not happy with the circumstances and to them legitimately SE is selling what they would consider a game goal to them. Are you to argue they are playing the game wrong?

Really feel like we're working on a unwinnable battle....


*I can respect someone's expertise and disagree, no hard feelings/not sarcasm. But fyi you missed my mog mail I was going to go big on that last letter :P

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Originally Posted by Noshpan

And then everybody eventually buys the cool horse and it becomes "That Retarded Pony"

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"When everyone is special, no one will be."

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"Look I bought a cool horse and you don't have a cool horse, look at how cool my horse is and you don't have one but I do." While not everyone who purchases from a cash shop might think like this, it's one of the major obvious bases on which cash shops are built upon. People will buy shiny things to have more shiny things than others, therefore having an advantage at least collector or ego wise

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Welcome to capitalism? Actually, further than that...welcome to humanity. Hope you enjoy your stay.