How come we can't play with friends?

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Originally Posted by Mogi

Ok then ff a realm reborn is not for you then now give me your stuff and quit

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Lol....Don't mean to derail the thread here, but Mogi wants everyone that's quitting their stuff, Mogi..when you finally quit one of these days can i have YOUR stuff? =D

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Originally Posted by Deusteele

And may the best botter win.

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^ players like this one from this thread are the reason why, SE listened to them.

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Originally Posted by Nici

Lol....Don't mean to derail the thread here, but Mogi wants everyone that's quitting their stuff, Mogi..when you finally quit one of these days can i have YOUR stuff? =D

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Sure ill give you my stuff if and when i quit why not^W^

Relevant loot in FATEs would require a less than 100% drop rate even with a Gold or else a respawn rate akin to Odin/Behemoth. It would wind up being no better than FFXI open world NMs minus the claim bots and with the lag issues of Odin/Behemoth. If they do it they'll want to make sure to put a large number in at once to spread the population around otherwise it'll be 200 people rotating from FATE to FATE until they get their drop, which could take a while since it dies too fast to get Gold. As much as I enjoyed FFXI, I do NOT want a return to anything akin to the ground Gods, or Hell any spawned NM. Leaping Lizzy nearly made me quit. Would be lucky to get claim once a day and then never get the drop.

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Originally Posted by Ptolemy

^ players like this one from this thread are the reason why, SE listened to them.

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People who bring up legitimate reasons why NMs were poorly thought out and how FF11 NMs were basically botting competitions? Yeah, true.

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Originally Posted by Mikara

It doesn't matter, even if he leveled every class to 50, there would still be as close to 0 open world content as there already is. You are missing the point of this thread, we shouldn't have to feel like the duty finder is our holy savior, and without it's guidance we have no chance to get anything worthwhile.

Edit: In before someone stupid says "Coil isn't part of duty finder, that's where all the gear is." Coil is just another version of the duty finder, except you don't get paired up with idiots and trolls that are doing stupid shit because they are bored because this game lacks any decently challenging content.

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It sort of dose i mean if you only got one class to 50 you have not done that much hell anyone can get a class to 50 with out doing any end game stuff my only point if this is there one and only than they have not played much of this game. I my self only have 3 lvl 50s as im a very laid back player but they seem to be one of the hardcore

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Originally Posted by Mogi

It sort of dose i mean if you only got one class to 50 you have not done that much hell anyone can get a class to 50 with out doing any end game stuff my only point if this is there one and only than they have not played much of this game. I my self only have 3 lvl 50s as im a very laid back player but they seem to be one of the hardcore

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I would enjoy it if you read my full post instead of just the first half of my first sentence next time before you decide to quote me. This isn't about the content in the game, it's about the lack of shit to do in the open world (bolded for clarity as you seem to have problems reading).

Oh boy, I can fate grind for a pitiful amount of gil + random and non important flame seals. Oh boy, I can go do treasure maps for drops that have already had their market value crashed into the ground within the first two weeks of them being released and gear that is beyond useless to any level 50 that does them. Oh boy, I can do dailies which are beyond boring and have already lost all worth to anyone who has ever played any other MMO with dailies in them. (Not saying some people don't like them, it's just that it's hardly open world content when it takes less than 15 minutes for rewards that are just for vanity.)

I really fail to understand why people are so against open world NMs, it's not like they have to drop best of the best of the best gear or anything. It could be small quality of life stuff, like a necklace that gives your stone skin casts +3% with barely any stats on it. Perhaps a pair of pants that gives you +5% movement speed in sanctuaries or something non important to battle. I don't understand why people think "OMG NMs, THEY WILL JUST GIVE THEM THE BEST STUFF EVER AND EVERY BOT FOREVER WILL FARM THEM AND I'LL NEVER HAVE MY CHANCE EVER OMG OMG NO!" FFXIV 1.0-1.2 most NMs were NEVER camped, every time I went to one, there was NO ONE there. So your shit arguments about being over camped are only because of your expectations for the best gear ever being attached to them.

Edit: Because I wanted to add a little humor to my post... Being afraid of adding NMs to the game because of the repercussions of them being in the game is similar to being afraid of going to your friends birthday party because you could choke on their birthday cake. If you are that afraid of them, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THEM! Just like if you are afraid of choking on birthday cake YOU DON'T HAVE TO EAT IT!

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Originally Posted by Mikara

the lack of sh%$ to do in the open world![/B]

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There you go potty mouth fix^^ and to each there own you may feel there is a lack of stuff to do and others may not feel the same way so it works both ways. I will agree with you that this game is not monster sized and yes things can get very
repetitive at times but it's not like there's nothing to do go fish go look for ppl to help go craft idk the world is what you make of it

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Originally Posted by Sotek

That's funny, I gather my friends and do maps fairly frequently. Other than an achievement I don't really remember much reason to do many of the NMs in 1.0, maps at least provide me with plenty of Gils.

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The lowlevel NMs gave you lv 25 and lv 30 gear. The highlevel NMs gave you mats to craft highlevel NM gear (like Dodore Wings for Dodore Doublet) and the leve NMs gave you Allagan Runestone to give Rowena for gear (later it got changed that you get the gear direct instead the runestones).

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Originally Posted by Mikara

Oh boy, I can go do treasure maps for drops that have already had their market value crashed into the ground within the first two weeks of them being released and gear that is beyond useless to any level 50 that does them.

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Well the gear by itself isn't really useful for a 50 but it's good for SBing since aetherial SBs faster than regular gear, don't know how much faster or slower than gear with melds though but a round of full party maps gives some decent amount of aetherial gear and potential materia of course including the obligatory elemental materias, I completely agree with everything else.