Despite its flaws, i like this game a lot

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Originally Posted by Azurus

The problem with the lack of positive feedback is that the positives are so few in number, and even those are debated on whether or not people like them or not. Off the top of my head i cant think of anything that people would unanimously agree that they like in this game, while i can think of some glaring things we all dislike. Both the positives and the negatives are subjective and depend entirely on what people think, thus it is only natural that the over all tone of the community is subjectively negative being that they are the majority. So many people left for so many reasons that even a positive brought up by someone that actively plays can be hated by 5 that do not.

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i think there were even a lot of posts pointing out the pros and cons a like. But the pros, well they didnt need fixing , perhaps some tweaking at best, so there wasnt the need of goin deeper into it for most people.

The cons well, they still exist and parts of it are fixed, most of them not, some maybe fixed in the future some not.
So that is only natural the negative responses will usually always be the major part, but thats how business works.
It not like a relationship...

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Originally Posted by AdaraaKatsumi

The thing that sucks about these pro-trolls with good ideas is that they don't use the Dev tags as intended. If they want the game improved, they should provide it with the proper tools that were given so that the devs can go from there and worded right to make it a suggestion and not a whine. If it is just a whine thread, then of course it is just going to get ripped and given low priority, if any, by the devs.

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There are many ideas far away from any dev tag... unless that is being fixed or taken care of or also improved (usability of the forum perhaps), there will always be posts not using the dev tags.
They should be a main tag in the forum, one shouldnt need to search for them. And they should be put in different sections, or combined in folders so its not just pages of number so scroll through. Just make it more user friendly imo.

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Originally Posted by AdaraaKatsumi

I find it interesting that the haters of this game have the most posts and yet still play the game and have not moved on to some other game. Hmmmmmm........

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Originally Posted by Demacia

I find it interesting that people actually defend the game to begin with. Anyone who complains is either a troll or a hater, unless they say it nicely.

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Well, maybe Adaraa sees something more than a fail in the game, and would like to watch it fixing. Just a guess...

What is this "I talk good about FFXIV so I'm a defender of this game" thing? I talk good about the lemon pie, but I hate it because it has a too sharp aroma that I can't stand.
Same going with its counterpart.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

The problem with the lack of positive feedback is that the positives are so few in number, and even those are debated on whether or not people like them or not. Off the top of my head i cant think of anything that people would unanimously agree that they like in this game, while i can think of some glaring things we all dislike. Both the positives and the negatives are subjective and depend entirely on what people think,

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You are right that everything is subjective.
May I also point out that saying that "the positives are so few in number" is also subjective? ^^

My subjective viewpoint is that SE got a lot of things right with this game, and I know many of my in-game friends agree: storyline, a myriad of quests for all the different jobs, crafting, being able to play my character in a variety of ways and mix and match skills, being able to equip any item I want, etc.

Of course, the things I like are often things that other people here hate.

It's all subjective.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

thus it is only natural that the over all tone of the community is subjectively negative being that they are the majority. So many people left for so many reasons that even a positive brought up by someone that actively plays can be hated by 5 that do not.

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Saying that people who hate and/or have left the game are the "majority" is still an assumption.
You may be right, but there are no numbers to prove or disprove it.

Fortunately for me, I see a vibrant community of many, many long time players on my server who far outnumber the regular posters I see here. So from where I stand, the negative viewpoint is the minority.

Again, though, it's all subjective. ^^

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Originally Posted by Mikita

Fortunately for me, I see a vibrant community of many, many long time players on my server who far outnumber the regular posters I see here. So from where I stand, the negative viewpoint is the minority.

Again, though, it's all subjective. ^^

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I will agree with this from what I can see on my server... a lot of the people on my server have been around pretty much since the beginning. A lot of the LS's I see on my server are the same LS'es that started when the game was released. Many of the people in my shell have been around since the beginning as well, and still play.

I'm not going to play the number game because we don't know how many started the game, we don't know how many people are still playing and we don't know how many have left. The numbers game that people play is pure speculation on a persons part to prove their point, if that be the positive or negative of the game. But when it comes down to it, we do not know how many people are on each server so we do not know how many are actively playing.

All I can say is that I see people everywhere on my server and we do have a lot of people playing all the time, so I am pleased from my view point at the amount of people wanting this game to succeed and willing to play it out.

Yea, if we say bad things about the game we are trolls. Right!

At least once a month i log in to see the changes and everything.
And it still looks really bad to me.
That's all.

I dont want a FFXI-2.
I said if it was a FFXI-2 at least they would have more people playing and paying for it.

And i dont think that the people that are still playing and enjoying(lol) the game are the ones that should be listened to the most.
Well, if you can enjoy a game like FFXIV, then you lack a lot of MMO experience.
Anyone who plays FFXIV for a month will have the same experiences and feeling than someone who's been playing since the release.

I want a better game.
I played FFXI for 6 years straight, and i want a game that provides me the same experiencie and fun that FFXI did.
I'm not saying it has to be the exactly same game, but i definetely does not feel like a "Final Fantasy" yet.

From my point of view, you guys sound brainwashed.

Yeah yeah, flames ahoy I'm a negative nancy, etc etc.

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Originally Posted by Sagagemini

Well, if you can enjoy a game like FFXIV, then you lack a lot of MMO experience.
Anyone who plays FFXIV for a month will have the same experiences and feeling than someone who's been playing since the release.

I want a better game.
I played FFXI for 6 years straight, and i want a game that provides me the same experiencie and fun that FFXI did.
I'm not saying it has to be the exactly same game, but i definetely does not feel like a "Final Fantasy" yet.

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10+ years MMO experience (Like you, 6 of that was with FFXI)

25+ years gaming experience

Teach Graphic/Multimedia Design, Video Game Design and Development at College level.

It is not about 'people who like this game lack MMO experience', it is the pure fact that people are allowed to have an opinion, whatever that opinion is. People are also allowed to agree or disagree with other peoples opinions if they choose too.

I will disagree that someone who starts now and plays for a month will have the same experiences as the people who started from the beginning. This game has changed, and things within the game have changed so there is no way that people who start now will have the same experience as people who started due to the fact that there have been changes made since start.

But I will agree while I like the game enough to keep playing it without it getting on my nerves, I do also want a better game and I want some major improvements. By playing it I can see what needs fixing, what has been fixed and what they need to improve on and can give my opinion (like many others on this forum) about how I feel I can help make this game better.

But I do have a general comment, not directed specifically at anyone...

What I don't understand is flaming and personally attacking someone due to a difference in opinion. Does it really help the situation or help fix the game in the long run? If people want to agree to disagree, or politely disagree that is fine and it is a persons right to do so. But when people resort to bullying, harassment, and attacking someone it seems more of an issue of an inability to come up with an intelligent and/or polite way to reply to a person.

I admit, I am at times a bit rude... but it's due to people attacking me for no apparent reason just because they did not agree with me. But in all honesty people... it's an opinion, and it's an opinion on a video game. We can have discussions without having to lower ourselves to being rude to people, I am sure most of us here are adults and can handle it.

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Originally Posted by Sagagemini

Yea, if we say bad things about the game we are trolls. Right!...

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Thank you for taking my words out of context. You only fixated on a small portion of my posts and translated them to fit your needs. I see what you did there.

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Originally Posted by AdaraaKatsumi

Thank you for taking my words out of context. You only fixated on a small portion of my posts and translated them to fit your needs. I see what you did there.

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I don't even remember your post. Sorry man.
It was more like a general comment.

@Kai
And Kai, i get you.
Sorry if i ofended you in any way. It wasn't my intention.

It just makes me really sad to see a game with such a potential going straight downhill lol.
IMO the game didnt improve that much.
It still lacks a lot of things and its been 8 months since the release.

People, including me, are getting tired of waiting.
They'll have to either make this game F2P or cancel it.