Why is race and nationality ignored so much in the lore? (why does the lore fail)

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Basically you're saying that the "average human" is just a nondescript theoretical concept that doesn't really exist, has absolutely no practical application, and has no relevance to the gaming field (or any practical field actually) whatsoever.

So basically basing any form of storytelling on that nondescript, theoretical average human would be a complete failure.

We can agree on that, yeah.

In any case, time for me to go to work, I have some actual specific targets to work with, luckily there is no "average", or I wouldn't have a job.

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I'm saying we know humans want relative gains. so make a game with relative gains (ex. people can get e-peen gear). HINT HINT, EVERY MMO DOES THIS, INCLUDING FFXI

I'm saying we know humans like drama, action, etc. So have dramatic or action filled quests. HINT HINT, EVERY MMO DOES THIS, INCLUDING FFXI

I'm saying people don't enjoy running through repetitive areas. HINT HINT, ALMOST EVERY MMO HAS MOUNTS, INCLUDING FFXI

its not like im making up complete bs. Every game adheres to these things because they are successful. FFXIV ignores them and has essentially failed.

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Originally Posted by Mack

This game hardly caters to anyone at this point.

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Then why are you here?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Then why are you here?

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Trolling most likely.

i would argue the bigger trolls are those consistently defending the game regardless of it being a failure at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Trolling most likely.

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Trolling? I've been playing this game since release and posting here since forums were implemented. But I get it, soon as someone says anything bad about a game 95% of the original buyers ditched, they're trolling. Right.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

i would argue the bigger trolls are those consistently defending the game regardless of it being a failure at the moment.

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...and thank you. Its just funny that people like Cairdeas call me out for trolling from a single post of mine yet in another topic, he was arguing in favor of the Market Wards and he decided to completely ignore my post because it didn't benefit his point.

I think just about everyone already agrees that the game is lacking a lot of things that would make the game better as you listed, but some just disagree that the current quests available are pointless. Because, you know, different strokes for different folks. =D

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

I'm saying we know humans want relative gains. so make a game with relative gains (ex. people can get e-peen gear). HINT HINT, EVERY MMO DOES THIS, INCLUDING FFXI

I'm saying we know humans like drama, action, etc. So have dramatic or action filled quests. HINT HINT, EVERY MMO DOES THIS, INCLUDING FFXI

I'm saying people don't enjoy running through repetitive areas. HINT HINT, ALMOST EVERY MMO HAS MOUNTS, INCLUDING FFXI

its not like im making up complete bs. Every game adheres to these things because they are successful. FFXIV ignores them and has essentially failed.

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And with every "humans want" you wrote, you completely overlooked the fact that "humans want" a lot of other things, and even those that want those things want them in different variations and intensity, and that's why game developers continue to try and innovate, finding new things that humans (actually not "humans", but "enough humans to create a success") will want.
There are a lot of games out there that ignored what people like you thought "Humans wanted" and succeeded. That's how gaming has evolved from text based adventure games to nowadays.

You're basically advocating sticking to the boring staples done and overdone a thousand times, negating the value of evolution, and yes, ultimately making things up. The fact that ONE game didn't meet instant success (while it still can in the long run) doesn't mean that pursuing innovation and working outside the box isn't a successful venue.
The story of MMORPGs is actually a continuous demonstration that going on to try and create clones that follow the rules you listed is a failed enterprise. That's what you get by looking to appease your theoretical, non-existant average: a crapton of games all based on the same concepts none of which ever manages to grab a significant slice of the market off the first one that got an headstart, and they all ultimately die forgotten.

oh, and by the way, to lead back towards the topic at hand that you derailed all by yourself (it's funny when the OP of a topic goes on a completely wild tangent derailing his own thread):

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I'm saying we know humans like drama, action, etc. So have dramatic or action filled quests. HINT HINT, EVERY MMO DOES THIS, INCLUDING FFXI

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Seriously, says who? Humans like a lot of different kinds of storytelling (that's why there are a lot of different genres of movies, books and, oh my! games), that range from the action to the "slice of life". Again, you're oversimplifying, and to create an immersive and complex world a mix of those genres is necessary.
Which is exactly what Final Fantasy XIV is doing, mind you.

Can't have the heroes without the bystanders. No matter how much you continue to wave around your "average human" flag. That's simply how quality storytelling works.

But again, we did learn something today: we have to be glad for the fact that SE has writers, and not behavioural scientists.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

i would argue the bigger trolls are those consistently defending the game regardless of it being a failure at the moment.

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Nope, the biggest trolls are those that think that disagreeing with their outlandish views that would most probably lead to even more disastrous failures automatically means "defending the game".

And now, I really have to go to work.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

I'm saying we know humans want relative gains. so make a game with relative gains (ex. people can get e-peen gear). HINT HINT, EVERY MMO DOES THIS, INCLUDING FFXI

I'm saying we know humans like drama, action, etc. So have dramatic or action filled quests. HINT HINT, EVERY MMO DOES THIS, INCLUDING FFXI

I'm saying people don't enjoy running through repetitive areas. HINT HINT, ALMOST EVERY MMO HAS MOUNTS, INCLUDING FFXI

its not like im making up complete bs. Every game adheres to these things because they are successful. FFXIV ignores them and has essentially failed.

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1 i could care less about epeen gear and mostly level to help other for sake of
2 i do enjoy stuff like that
3 i can have a mount in oblivion but I chose walk. I walk around mostly in ffxi even had my own chocobo I barely used. If i renred one it was because I had to rush to a pt. Or i wanted to hear the music.

I suggest you look up what a Kanon/canon is :) (the other one was matketuing so ignore it XD)

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

i would argue the bigger trolls are those consistently defending the game regardless of it being a failure at the moment.

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Do not play a game you do not like then. Yopu at fault and no matter how fixed the game gets, you will never enjoy it :) I do not think ffxiv is A failur. And trust mre I know what a fail game looks like. :)

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

1 i could care less about epeen gear and mostly level to help other for sake of
2 i do enjoy stuff like that
3 i can have a mount in oblivion but I chose walk. I walk around mostly in ffxi even had my own chocobo I barely used. If i renred one it was because I had to rush to a pt. Or i wanted to hear the music.

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4 you alone wont make this game a success, funny how things work isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Do not play a game you do not like then. Yopu at fault and no matter how fixed the game gets, you will never enjoy it :) I do not think ffxiv is A failur. And trust mre I know what a fail game looks like. :)

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...and please stop pretending like you're the only one who plays video games here.