What's your first impression of Eureka?

the "grind" really isnt real. The higher people get, the more higher nms will continously spawn and those drop 100+ protean crystals each and give shitloads of exp
I got 4k crystals so far in 2 days by mostly semi-afking.

the more time I spend in eureka, the more I like it and thats not even sarcastic. The lvl 13 quest almost made me shit my pants, but it it was super fun, because it actually was dangerous and needed some sort auf coordination with other people. Thats something that only potd floor 180+ can offer so far

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

People are ALREADY doing this. Leaving once the fate they want has been farmed. Why farm the piddling ones when we can possibly re-instance and get the big rewards?

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THIS.
This is extremely fast. Queue up, learn where the train is, and if it's a big one, wait, otherwise you re-queue.
No need to waste time with the sabotender or anemos when you could have the gourmand, malboro or serket.

Ultimately it's not about the fastest to 20, it's about the easiest to 20. Nobody wants to grind for 25 hours a day, but they'll definitely sit and watch a screen for 3 hours, only playing when a fate pops.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

the "grind" really isnt real. The higher people get, the more higher nms will continously spawn and those drop 100+ protean crystals each and give shitloads of exp
I got 4k crystals so far in 2 days by mostly semi-afking.

the more time I spend in eureka, the more I like it and thats not even sarcastic. The lvl 13 quest almost made me shit my pants, but it it was super fun, because it actually was dangerous and needed some sort auf coordination with other people. Thats something that no other content in this game can offer

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I made the mistake of doing that quest at night. I slept both of the Val Bilokos, then ran and hid in the corner. They de-aggro'd just a few inches away from me.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

A recycled plastic bottle isn't "new"? You definition is off and dishonest. You're not even playing with words, you're completly changing their definition.New content doesn't mean "innovative and unseen". And even then, the map is new, some monsters are new, the elemental wheel is new, the story is new...
But, again, I guess you prefer farming Atmas. This was so new and innovative. /s

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Shows how much you know about that place, and why are you insulting me? It is not hard to find someone that can't react to stop running for that silver chest killing everyone because they ran over a mine. It only killed me because I was around the corner behind a wall and did not think the blast would reach me like that (the chest blast, I did try back off and run back a bit after the person triggered the mine but was not far enough)

For the rest I am not even replying if you are going to twist my words around because you are blind fanboy of the place. It is 100% garbage to me and I am shocked to see people supporting it and calling i "new content" there is no "NEW content" in eureka. I said those processes where more interesting, not that they where innovative.

Do not insult me because you tolerate a brainless zergfest while not understanding the dangers of palace of the dead, and how someone can go above and beyond there to prevent wipes.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

the "grind" really isnt real. The higher people get, the more higher nms will continously spawn and those drop 100+ protean crystals each and give shitloads of exp
I got 4k crystals so far in 2 days by mostly semi-afking.

the more time I spend in eureka, the more I like it and thats not even sarcastic. The lvl 13 quest almost made me shit my pants, but it it was super fun, because it actually was dangerous and needed some sort auf coordination with other people. Thats something that only potd floor 180+ can offer so far

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That is SE's fault for not giving the feeling of progress after 2 hours. Still does not change it is brainless and boring.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

Shows how much you know about that place, and why are you insulting me? It is not hard to find someone that can't react to stop running for that silver chest killing everyone because they ran over a mine. It only killed me because I was around the corner behind a wall and did not think the blast would reach me like that (the chest blast, I did try back off and run back a bit after the person triggered the mine but was not far enough)

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It's not an insult to say that someone is a bad player if that person wipes frequently in one of the easiest content in the game. If you try thowing darts at a target and miss a lot, you're bad at throwing darts. It's not an insult, it's an ascertainment. By using your PotD argument, you implied that wiping while farming it for EXP was something that happens more than dying in Eureka. That's completly wrong.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

For the rest I am not even replying if you are going to twist my words around because you are blind fanboy of the place. It is 100% garbage to me and I am shocked to see people supporting it and calling i "new content" there is no "NEW content" in eureka. I said those processes where more interesting, not that they where innovative.

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A blind fanboy? Are you out of your mind? Did you even read my post and arguments? Did you also read the parts where I admitted that Eureka had flaws? I called it "fine". Not "the best content in Final Fantasy XIV". Is that all you can do, calling someone a "blind fanboy" in order to dismiss their arguments because you have none? If I say that I find farming A1S or Fractal Continuum worse than doing Eureka, it doesn't make me a "blind fanboy". So keep your weak strawman and ad hominem to yourself.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

Do not insult me because you tolerate a brainless zergfest while not understanding the dangers of palace of the dead, and how someone can go above and beyond there to prevent wipes.

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Be careful everyone, apparently stepping in PotD is way harder and more dangerous than getting cleaved for 70k everytime you sneeze too loud and something hears you in Eureka!
I would've never known after the dozen mindless PotD runs I did to get EXP for my alt jobs...
Please, get real. It's beyond ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

A blind fanboy? Are you out of your mind? Did you even read my post and arguments? Did you also read the parts where I admitted that Eureka had flaws? I called it "fine". Not "the best content in Final Fantasy XIV". Is that all you can do, calling someone a "blind fanboy" in order to dismiss their arguments because you have none? If I say that I find farming A1S or Fractal Continuum worse than doing Eureka, it doesn't make me a "blind fanboy". So keep your strawman arguments to yourself.

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Now you know how you treated me with your first reply to me, now I am glad we have some understanding how I view your first reply to me.

Care to retry that first reply to me in a more civil manner now? Don't twist my words around, do not insult me, and maybe we can reach a middle.

I will repeat what I said though because of something you said, it is 100% garbage to me, you claim such statements are dishonest. No it is not, I feel that way, I do not like half bake ideas, be told lies "it is not like diadem it is going to be new and innovative."

This did not happen, all they gave us was a stripped diadem with a mindless grind, I have a right to say it is 100% garbage as valid criticism at that point, esp with all the delays. If you are going to delay something that much, it better reflect that extra work. This did not do that, not by a long shot. If this was introduced in 4.0 like it should have been, maybe I would feel different. We are 2/3 done as far as raids before 5.0 , getting close to the second 24 man. It is very late to be releasing relics, and this fell very short of the hype the dev team was trying to give us.

I think your claim about you not waiting for this is off, unless you are just unaware of FFXIV's formula? we had less content then normal 4.0+ because of this, and we get this bare bones area, struggling to call itself content? With all the wait we gave as a playerbase with not much to do 4.0+?

Eureka is great. I hope they add Ilvl 350 accessories and belts to it too. Hopefully more updates will come to it as well. :D.

So, after hearing about this whole farming NMs thing, I decided to go in with an open mind and see just how it went. Overall, the experience was better. I got an almost ridiculous amount of crystals, lockboxes and exp (went from 8-10, nearly 11). I may end up completing the grind because it is easier than I initially thought. That said, my opinion on the matter has not changed. I still feel like they didn't deliver, and that they deserve whatever backlash they receive from this. Improvements would be welcome though if they are willing to make them. I might not be too thrilled, but I'm not unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

Now you know how you treated me with your first reply to me, now I am glad we have some understanding how I view your first reply to me.

Care to retry that first reply to me in a more civil manner now? Don't twist my words around, do not insult me, and maybe we can reach a middle.

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There was two pages of me answering to people about things you came back on. You didn't even read those responses. You made me repeat myself and lose time because you didn't care to read the next pages. This is irrespectful. Do not expect me to be gentle in my answers if you make me lose my time by repeating what I already said. Especially if you tell nonsense such as "getting exp in PotD is more dangerous than being in Eureka". You also wrongly assumed that I was playing 24.7 without anything to back you up, and made it into an argument. You started strawmaning even before I even talked to you.
So no, I will definitly not play the nice guy to someone who argue against me like that. If you feel offended, then start by being respectful when you talk to someone. Don't make them repeat themselves, and don't assume things randomly.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

I will repeat what I said though because of something you said, it is 100% garbage to me, you claim such statements are dishonest. No it is not, I feel that way, I do not like half bake ideas, be told lies "it is not like diadem it is going to be new and innovative."

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What I claimed to be dishonest was the way you used the word "new", implying that for something to be new, it had to be something you've never seen before. And everyone know this is almost impossible when it comes to creating content for MMORPGs, especially battle content related to a grind. In short, you used an argument which is fallacious. There is absolutly no way for me to be able to argue against it, because you will always be able to claim "this isn't new" in some way. Even if it gets ridiculous. For example: "it's not new, we are still using the same battle system and mechanics we always did!". Well obviously, they won't change the game engine and battle system entirely for an update coming inbetween two major patches.
So I simply called that argument dishonest, because I didn't wanted to go into that rabbit hole.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

This did not happen, all they gave us was a stripped diadem with a mindless grind, I have a right to say it is 100% garbage as valid criticism at that point, esp with all the delays. If you are going to delay something that much, it better reflect that extra work. This did not do that, not by a long shot. If this was introduced in 4.0 like it should have been, maybe I would feel different. We are 2/3 done as far as raids before 5.0 , getting close to the second 24 man. It is very late to be releasing relics, and this fell very short of the hype the dev team was trying to give us.

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Don't get hyped if you don't want to be dissapointed. Why treating Eureka differently than any other content? There's no reason to do that.
As I already said, I simply treat as a new relic step like any other. And they created a new instance dedicated to it. This didn't happen since late 2013.

Call it old all you want, they actually made a new instanced content for the new relic saga, exactly like the Chimera was a new instanced boss battle created especially for the first relic. I don't care if they reused assets and mechanics. It's a new instance which ask me to progress by killing stuff without asking me to go do years old content or countless Fates I already did six months ago.

Thank you all for you feedback on the Forbidden Land, Eureka Anemos.

After reviewing comments we received from users worldwide, we have decided to implement the following changes to Eureka lockboxes and their rewards in a hotfix scheduled for the end of March.
- Eureka potions will be added as possible rewards.
- The rate at which fireworks are awarded will be reduced.
- Various gear, as well as the Wicked Winds Whisper and No Quarter orchestrion rolls will no longer be untradable and may be put up for sale.

Please be advised that the lockboxes obtained prior to this hotfix but opened afterwards will be affected by the above changes.

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Don't get hyped if you don't want to be dissapointed. Why treating Eureka differently than any other content? There's no reason to do that.

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I think after, what was it, 1.5 years in development time? that we can expect better than what we got, especially since it apparently came at the cost of other content.

I mean, hell, how long did the entirety of ARR 2.0 take to develop? (Honest question; I was not around for Legacy)