Bard - they broke my job

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Originally Posted by Aiselia

Also, one has BRD beating only AST and MCH, while the other has BRD beating NIN, BLM, and MCH.

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That particular discrepancy is easily explained by the fact that the amount of effort required to fill out an entire survey and the amount of effort required to click a check box on a poll are completely different (hence, also, the large discrepancy in overall number of responses). In that case we can simply defer to the simpler poll as a more accurate representation of the player base. The more detailed poll still gives us a very interesting picture of how the player base is responding to the expansion, however, particularly in terms of what they liked and what they didn't like.

The fact that MCH is at the very bottom of every single poll certainly says something. BRD being so close to the bottom every time instead of at the very top like they used to be also says something. Whether or not you take these polls as 100% fact, they still serve as very useful barometers of where the player base stands.

Mind you, when I say it is "indisputable" that there is a problem, I mean it. You can quibble over the accuracy of these polls all you want to. The fact remains that the difference between before Heavensward and after Heavensward is HUGE regardless of what sources you use.

I also have to mention that I never claimed 100% accuracy, just very close to it, which is what the whole point of probability and sample size confidence levels are for. A very high confidence level is still enough to render dispute largely pointless. You're not going to be able to take a survey with a sample so biased that it turns the results around. That's just not going to happen.

Simply nerfing a class because its too mobile is just bad game design. Talk about taking the easy way out....

It still proves nothing. Let alone WM is the reason there are less players playing bard. Many people picked up the new classes or chnaged to better meet their statics needs. Idk how you think the polls prove anything it is like saying the les pirates there are the more gobal warming.

FIX WARDEN'S PLEASE.

I started playing like bard when HW was released, during Early Access. BRD was my first lvl 60, I have played every content like BRD, then I took the MCH to 60 too, and I clear all the current content like MCH, and finally I took NIN to 60, and I clear the content like NIN again and I have to say "Ninja is really really funny, If you are not enjoying current state of BRD or MCH, for real, I must say to You, test other Jobs, .

Ninja is amazing...I dont understand why SE can design funny jobs like Ninjas and at the same time destroy a funny gameplay job like old BRD was...no sense for my...

My static counts with me like BRD or MCH, but I'm not gonna play like BRD or MCH if TP or MP regen is not needed...why? easy, I like NIN much more than current state of BRD or MCH, If some encounter really need MP or TP regen, fine, I'm gonna be forced to play BRD or MCH (By myself ofc), I'm not gonna enjoy this encounters at all, but I'm gonna do the best for the group.

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Originally Posted by Greywolfamakir

"Ninja is really really funny, If you are not enjoying current state of BRD or MCH, for real, I must say to You, test other Jobs, .

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Most people here don't just have one class. I've played Nin to 50. I don't like it. WHM to 50. Don't like it. I picked archer for a reason, made my peace with people only seeing us as a tp/mp battery once I hit bard, and now I don't like this entirely different play style. Many many people who dislike these changes have already played the other classes, and yet chose to main bard. So this point is moot and it would be nice if people would stop telling us to simply switch classes. I have two jobs to 50 and one to 58. I don't like the others, and some career bards feel the same.

Career Bard here as well...just love the job, always will. I am torn on this to no end. I loved the old Bard better, but I am becoming use to the new play style. I have got my rotation down now and am doing good dps, just will always miss the old day...awwwwwwww.
But yeah...play all jobs and have all to 50 and working now on getting all to 60...like all the jobs and find them all good in their own way and just makes you better at the game knowing how to play all the jobs. I wish people would stop telling Bards how to feel as well...but oh well, let them chime in, it's all good. Maybe we will get some better stuff in 4.0 in a few years...here's to hoping.

I dislike playing my Bard now. I got mine to 60 and have around 4-5 items left to upgrade with the centrino seals when I went Awww f***k this shit. So I have a Dragoon to lev.49 right now but I am not really enjoying it.

I want my f**king Bard back. It is currently broken. I hate this stand and shoot business.

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Originally Posted by AnnietheCat

Most people here don't just have one class. I've played Nin to 50. I don't like it. WHM to 50. Don't like it. I picked archer for a reason, made my peace with people only seeing us as a tp/mp battery once I hit bard, and now I don't like this entirely different play style. Many many people who dislike these changes have already played the other classes, and yet chose to main bard. So this point is moot and it would be nice if people would stop telling us to simply switch classes. I have two jobs to 50 and one to 58. I don't like the others, and some career bards feel the same.

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I said "If you are not enjoying current state of BRD or MCH". If you are enjoying BRD or MCH, fine.
I'm not saying "If you are not enjoying current state of BRD or MCH, You should stop to cry and shut up !! " no no no...people can say anything, I was pointing my current experience here.

It isn't that I'm unhappy with how they changed brd. Honestly I never saw much reason to move all that much unless it was necessary, thus the turret stance isn't that much different than how I used to play. Honestly, only time I find it a hindrance is when I do need to move or when it comes to easily weaving off gcd skills. As I've said many times already, I simply wish being in WM had something to make up for the loss of AA such as a generic potency upgrade to DoT damage. I'm still annoyed with the potency nerf to Sidewinder also, but the overall loss of autoattacks that isn't really compensated for makes the WM buff seem less than it is over all.

Yes it is a damage increase, any brd worth their salt can see that regardless of if there are Auto attacks or not, or even if it hinders mobility just because of how they changed brd as a whole. Even with the det change to auto attacks, the new barrage in WM isn't as strong as the old barrage without Det change to auto attacks.

On top of this, without Auto attack and the 30% buff affecting DoTs they don't even compensate for damage without WM up and AAs; still come up roughly 150~200 dmg per activation less which is an obvious oversight of damage not scaling proportionately between the stances. This could be corrected by giving even a 10~15 potency upgrade on DoTs when in WM stance that is also affected by the 30% buff still.