Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

And he also said, in the first paragraph of what you're quoting:

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The issue with the Viera is that, if you look at them, they're basically humanoid save for their long rabbit ears and their heels. We already have a mostly humanoid race with animal ears in the Miqo'te. When we looked at those initial Viera concepts, it just seemed like a Miqo'te with bunny ears instead of cat ears. It simply wasn't different enough. Especially when we did the male designs… they didn't look beastly enough, they were just a little too cute.

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About the decision to add au ra instead of viera, not about the future. The end of his statement stated clearly that he wants us to ask for viera for the next race if we really want them. The beginning was about viera and au ra, it was about the decision between the two. The end result of his statement is what sends us to ask for viera "let us know and we'll take it into consideration with the next race we bring in."

So he's not saying they won't consider viera as the next race as you want to manipulate with your half quote.
I know it's fun to break apart quotes and not include the part that negates your argument but it doesn't make you look good.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

And he also said, in the first paragraph of what you're quoting:

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You know, I really hate that quote. It's one of the most hypocritical things YoshiP has ever said. You could literally apply the same statement to Au'ra, the race he implemented instead.

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

You know, I really hate that quote. It's one of the most hypocritical things YoshiP has ever said. You could literally apply the same statement to Au'ra, the race he implemented instead.

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Aye from his own words no other race should be as beastly as AuRa since that in his mind was beastly enough... What many people complain is nothing more than Elezen with horns, skin conditions and tail.

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Originally Posted by Kaitoo

Dwarfes and Gnomes for example? Both are in the FF Lore btw. and had more apperances then vieras

btw. youre animation sentence is 100 % wrong, thats an animators job as savageink as said.

The passage with how this scene would look with other sized chracters is laughauble too, there are lalafells in this game + i could do this cutscene while wearing hildebrand glamour or with a full face covering helmet

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By all means do so, last i checked head gear is removed in that scene, almost as if the facial animations were paramount to the story and necessitated the characters emotions be displayed prominently to enforce the narrative. However you are correct in it being the animators job, one already taxed and un-needing of extra work for a race by and far unpopular enough to make up less than 3% of a player populace. Even for the sake "more fantasy feel" sacrificing more engrossing facial animations (accomplished by having more races with similar facial designs cutting time and resources needed to convey emotion) simply makes more sense.

That being said i still have yet to see those examples.

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Personally, there's a bunch of reasons why I don;t want to make a new thread. Most notably, it feels like trying to shoo away any and all criticism and/or like trying to turn this into some weird safe space. Like you (not you specifically, Vex, but just a general sorta you) only want people who agree with you because that supports your argument and I don't think that's helpful for anyone. Challenging each others ideas are how progress is made. If we all just go to our separate corners and never interact with other, it just turns into an echochamber with everyone patting each other on the back regardless of any flaws in logic.

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Its not about shoo'ing criticism, but about ending circular arguments. One can disagree, list their reasons, listen to counter-arguments and argue back, but at some point things go back to where they started, closing the loop, at which point, people tred over the same arguments again and again. It doesn't bring anything new to the discussion. If anything it extends the discussion even further, continuing to bump the thread to the top of the page, adding on more replies and pages (which you've noted as something someone can use in favor of the argument), etc...

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Its not about shoo'ing criticism, but about ending circular arguments.

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Going to other threads doesn't end that, it just ends debate. What ends circular arguments is facts and reason, and actually listening to facts and reason. There has been a lot of emotion and bias involved in this debate, especially from the pro-viera crowd (to the point of dismissing quotes and evidence entirely), and that is the cause of circular arguments. To be fair though, I didn't expect anything less from what amounts to simply a Viera circle jerk thread.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Going to other threads doesn't end that, it just ends debate. What ends circular arguments is facts and reason, and actually listening to facts and reason. There has been a lot of emotion and bias involved in this debate, especially from the pro-viera crowd (to the point of dismissing quotes and evidence entirely), and that is the cause of circular arguments. To be fair though, I didn't expect anything less than what amounts to simply a Viera circle jerk thread.

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Well, that right there is your issue. You can't guarantee anyone will listen, or interpret them in the same way.

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Well, that right there is your issue. You can't guarantee anyone will listen, or interpret them in the same way.

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Oh I know that, I was just answering your point about making new threads. You are the one who brought up circular arguments, not me.

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Oh I know that, I was just answering your point about making new threads. You are the one who brought up circular arguments, not me.

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Quite true. I just find they don't end, ever. Mostly because no one see's something the way others see it. Human nature for you right there.

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By all means do so, last i checked head gear is removed in that scene, almost as if the facial animations were paramount to the story and necessitated the characters emotions be displayed prominently to enforce the narrative. However you are correct in it being the animators job, one already taxed and un-needing of extra work for a race by and far unpopular enough to make up less than 3% of a player populace. Even for the sake "more fantasy feel" sacrificing more engrossing facial animations (accomplished by having more races with similar facial designs cutting time and resources needed to convey emotion) simply makes more sense.

That being said i still have yet to see those examples.

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Seriously? Your argument is that animating emotions on a non-human is a budgetary concern? Lol! As for non-humans being animated with emotional impact, watch a Pixar movie.