Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

is replacing the Gae Bolg Zenith really worth it considering the loss on accuracy and crit?

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Originally Posted by LamchopSHK

is replacing the Gae Bolg Zenith really worth it considering the loss on accuracy and crit?

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Yes you make up for it with other items. I mean good luck with getting the Allagan Spear but with the buffs it got it is hands down the best weapon in the game for us right now.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Based on the above weights***,

T5 BiS (482 ACC):

HQ Deviled Eggs

Myth Belt
Myth Boots
EX Ifrit Bracelet Striking
Myth Chest
Myth Earring
Allagan Gloves
Myth Helm
Myth Leggings
Myth Necklace
Allagan Ring Maiming
EX Garuda Ring Striking
Allagan Weapon

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hmm with the items you list above i'm showing a total accuracy bonus from gear alone to be 132 which would put us at 473 accuracy, not the quoted 482. Has there been any changes to any gear (not counting the new additions) besides the Allagan Earrings/Allagan Spear?

What is the new BiS without the Allagan Spear?

Im not expecting to be able to get it for a long time, and am curious lol

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Originally Posted by AugustusSB

hmm with the items you list above i'm showing a total accuracy bonus from gear alone to be 132 which would put us at 473 accuracy, not the quoted 482. Has there been any changes to any gear (not counting the new additions) besides the Allagan Earrings/Allagan Spear?

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I'm assuming that means the 482 ACC is taking the HQ Deviled Eggs into account (otherwise, you'd be eating buttons).

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Originally Posted by Jamison

Also, EasyMode, you are saying that IDC only needs one TTT as a spacer (except when buffed) before IDC becomes the best potency combo again? That seems like a dumbing down of the rotation to me.

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Hmmm ... not exactly. It's not that "you only need one TTT to make IDC effective to use again". Another IDC is simply the best remaining option. There are a few pretty similar rotations near the top that illustrate the evolution:

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HP IDC TTT
HP IDC TTT (repeating to more clearly indicate the comparison to the other rotations below)

2.
HP IDC TTT
HP IDF TTT

3.
HP IDC TTT
HP TTT TTT


The IDC/IDF rotation was more or less the second best rotation pre-2.1. All 3 of those rotations are bound by the 20-second Heavy Thrust (and PH) cycle.

#3 has less than 100% DE uptime. It also loses CT uptime. In 2.1, CT uptime is more relevant (30p dot ticks). This causes this rotation to slip into "meh" range. #3 was sort of an ok third-tier rotation until #2 ...

#2 uses Fracture to avoid heavy clipping with CT while still injecting a "high potency" GCD. In 2.1 Fracture is relatively the weakest it's ever been. The direct damage on CT alone (220 DE-adjusted potency) is almost as strong as Fracture (230 DE-adjusted potency). 1 tick of CT DoT and it's better than using Fracture. So rotation #2 slips due to the CT improvements in 2.1.

This leaves us with #1, which ironically is simply a repeated "HP IDC TTT" ... twice in a row.

Due to the clipping changes which folks have mentioned, the CT clipping doesn't even matter much ...

So yeah it certainly is "dumbing it down" for the simple as a result.

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Originally Posted by JetBrooks

I'm assuming that means the 482 ACC is taking the HQ Deviled Eggs into account (otherwise, you'd be eating buttons).

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Ahh, you've cleared it up for me thanks, I did not factor that in. sorry i keep failing lol...gotta readjust my script then.

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Originally Posted by AugustusSB

Updated my xls DB [Allagan Spear, Allagan Earrings of Maiming, (let me know if there is anything else)]

My script is giving me the following BiS with a total weight of 651.3 at a desired accuracy of 482.
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This gives, 224 str, 86 det, 97 crit, 93 ss, 142 acc, 180 vit and 47 wp for a total weight of 651.3 (old BiS was 618.092 using previous stat weights from before 2.1)

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That list agrees with my spreadsheet + solver when I solve for 482 ACC + Buttons (no acc food).

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

That list agrees with my spreadsheet + solver when I solve for 482 ACC + Buttons (no acc food).

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Yeah, Jet cleared it up for me thanks. Gotta adjust my script to factor in food. Do you know how the game rounds? (ie. will a buff of 14.7 crit be treated as +15 or +14; assuming here also that 14.3 for example would always be 14)

No idea ^_^.