Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

*Laughs uncontrollably*




Agreed. I'm done as well. This was entertaining but all...good? bad? things must come to an end.

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Typical Siren. Enjoy your questionable activities.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

*Laughs uncontrollably*




Agreed. I'm done as well. This was entertaining but all...good? bad? things must come to an end.

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It was /thread back on what... page 10ish? Mans is just looking for attention lmfao

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

It was /thread back on what... page 10ish? Mans is just looking for attention lmfao

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By all means keep trying to mic drop.

Once long a ago a player who we will call FRED as I wont mention their actual forum name. Came along complaining about server populations during the whole locked down mess. Fred was errogant, dismissive, sarcastic to anyone who disagreed with them. Talking to Fred was like talking to a 10ft thick brick wall...POINTLESS. kinda like how replying to the OP has become pointless.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

... who are picking a job, or even the game, back up after not playing it for a bit, and they're a little rusty.

We're defending the players who recently swapped around a few things on their hotbars and are still getting used to things (the training dummy doesn't help me remember I put my interrupt over here)

The players who had a bad/hard day and just want to relax, so they que into a flippin dungeon (no stakes) to see SAM go brrr.

The players who went into content, and then through no fault of their own have something IRL asking for their attention and distracting them.

The players who've trying, but don't yet realize they're missing something, or performing their rotation non-optimally, and don't deserve ire and blacklisting for the incredible transgression of maybe making an alliance raid take a little longer.

We're defending people who aren't doing anything wrong or malicious, yet are being attacked behind their backs.

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This is it.

There this weird notion in this thread in that those who are disagree with the OP's stance also support people who trolls or people who get mad when other players trying to reasonably give them advice. No we're--or at least I am--not.

Just try... to be more empathetic with others.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

I been reading this awhile, and want to add my perspective on this very long back and forth.

This is going to be a ramble, so if you read it. Kudos.


A very long time ago, when I was much younger I played EQ, did some raiding and did not know much about min/maxing. After all..I was a ranger. Endless quiver/sow bot.

Got into wow, and my views of mmorpg changed. I was a raid leader, and a toxic one at that. If you want to do end game content, you should play your best or at least try your best. If you failed more than once on the same thing. You had to bring a repair bot for the people you failed. We geared you out, and that gear you used belongs to all of us. That was the guild pride. Many expansions later, I gained a disability, and I can no longer play as good as I once was. I am sure I could find people that would accept that, but it is a me problem. I can't accept it, and to this day struggle to accept it.

Now, I play a MMO with my wife...and she is the type of player that use to make me rage. She would look at a class, pick what skills she liked and did not like and use the ones she only liked.
When I told her that is not good dps. She would be like so? I'm like, don't you want to improve? She said sure I do, in the way that is fun to me.

Watching her fail and laugh, smile and have fun in games that I use to take serious. I understand that it was not her playing the game wrong. It was me.

My point of this story is, I'm glad this game protects her from people like me. Who would try and teach her or be upset and lash out because I could not understand her perspective and why she is wasting my time. This game to go through the story content it sometimes requires us to group. So i am glad that I have some peace of mind knowing that if people try and ruin her way of thinking or fun. They can get in trouble. It is not anyone place.

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Thank you for acting like a decent human being. That's a lovely story about your wife.

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Originally Posted by LaughingBanana

This is it.

There this weird notion in this thread in that those who are disagree with the OP's stance also support people who trolls or people who get mad when other players trying to reasonably give them advice. No we're--or at least I am--not.

Just try... to be more empathetic with others.



Thank you for acting like a decent human being. That's a lovely story about your wife.

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I try, like I have another friend who plays, but he uses only trusts. He hates grouping with players because of the abuse he got from players in another mmo giving him anxitety, This community is much better, but some scars are really hard to heal and kindness can't always fix it. (reason why I hope one day they add duo trusts, so I can help him out.).

He still enjoys the social elements, talking to people and crafting/market stuff. Just trials and dungeons triggers it.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

My point of this story is, I'm glad this game protects her from people like me, Who would try and teach her or be upset and lash out at her for wasting my time. This game to get through the story content, it sometimes requires us to group. So i am glad that I can have some peace of mind knowing that if people try and ruin her way of thinking or fun. They can get in trouble. It is not anyone place.

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Honestly, I followed you right until this part.
The fact that you agree with practice people getting banned for offering an advice is yikes.

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Originally Posted by MyakotApelsia

Honestly, I followed you right until this part.
The fact that you agree with practice people getting banned for offering an advice is yikes.

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Your missing the point, If she asks for advice you should give it. Unless you are in a linkshell and or guild that has a set rules on how skilled you should be.

Wanting to help people is fine, but throwing out advice in party or at least not respecting them enough to ask in whispers if they would like some, and if they say no thank you. That is it.



Do you know how often players just openly start giving advice to players, as if they should? It is a public group with no set rules on how anyone should play.

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Originally Posted by MyakotApelsia

Honestly, I followed you right until this part.
The fact that you agree with practice people getting banned for offering an advice is yikes.

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Why in bloody hell do you actually think that he is suggesting anyone offering advice to her wife should be banned.

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Originally Posted by LaughingBanana

Why in bloody hell do you actually think that he is suggesting anyone offering advice to her wife should be banned.

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Ya i don't understand, It is 3 am for me and my typing skills is lacking. So it might have been my wording.