Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

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Originally Posted by Dzian

The problem with this is that many of those "casuals" are the most selfish people in the game. With their I don't care how my performance is ruining everyone elses fun so I dont need to learn my job attitudes aloing with their super insane levels of entitlement absolutely crushing the signinficance and value of in game stuff for everyone else for no reason other than "because I want it"

This is quite literally the most selfish thing in the game.. Absolutely no one prevents them from getting something the same way everyone else does but their own laziness and entitlement is pure selfishness.

Why shoulld I make an effort I cant be arsed. Who cares if iIm dragging 3, 7, 23 other people down.....

And then they're the ones who say the "good" players are the selfish "elitist" ones..

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I was replying to someone who wondered why people looked down on them being incredibly selfish who didn't seem to notice their take WAS selfish. I've already said my peace on what OP can do about his problem.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

The bads did not want to improve. So instead of reflecting on themselves and reading a guide, they blamed the "elitist".

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And the Elitist did not want to help, so instead of reflecting upon themselves and treating other players with consideration, they blamed the "casual."

Isn't being pithy fun?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I was replying to someone who wondered why people looked down on them being incredibly selfish who didn't seem to notice their take WAS selfish. I've already said my peace on what OP can do about his problem.

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Oh I did notice my take was selfish more so I never understood why people view selfishness as an inherently undesirable trait.

In the end I probably could have phrased it better, and I need to understand that my stances differ greatly from what would be considered normal.

Though yes I do diverge from what many would be consider normal social etiquette or norms.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

And the Elitist did not want to help, so instead of reflecting upon themselves and treating other players with consideration, they blamed the "casual."

Isn't being pithy fun?

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It is my dude.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Bruh, I just want us to respect each others time. Its a simple thing that you've got twisted into me having some sort of complex. Six years of having to deal with people not respecting the time of others makes a person bitter.

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See, that's your problem. You don't know that they aren't trying to respect your time. You aren't there with them behind the screen. You aren't in their head. You view anything less than what you want someone else to do as a personal affront and something they are doing to you deliberately. But a lot of them are just relaxing after a hard day, or getting some time in while the baby is asleep, or are still struggling to get that rotation just right, or any number of things. They are not setting out to ruin your day or not meet your expectations. They have no idea what your expectations are. You let the game randomly match yourself with them.

The only person that's making you bitter is yourself. If you stopped trying to visit your internal expectations of what is "perfect" on everyone else and just tried to enjoy the run and the camaraderie, you wouldn't find them so unbearable.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

See, that's your problem. You don't know that they aren't trying to respect your time. You aren't there with them behind the screen. You aren't in their head. You view anything less than what you want someone else to do as a personal affront and something they are doing to you deliberately. But a lot of them are just relaxing after a hard day, or getting some time in while the baby is asleep, or are still struggling to get that rotation just right, or any number of things. They are not setting out to ruin your day or not meet your expectations. They have no idea what your expectations are. You let the game randomly match yourself with them.

The only person that's making you bitter is yourself. If you stopped trying to visit your internal expectations of what is "perfect" on everyone else and just tried to enjoy the run and the camaraderie, you wouldn't find them so unbearable.

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Its hard to find common ground when they aren't even trying to be your equal, and you are having to drag them across the finish line.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

The only person that's making you bitter is yourself. If you stopped trying to visit your internal expectations of what is "perfect" on everyone else and just tried to enjoy the run and the camaraderie, you wouldn't find them so unbearable.

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He can't stop. The numbers on his screen corner keep reminding him that he's carrying the weight of the playerbase on his shoulders. His only hope is to rouse the impassioned masses into doing "something" to the "parasites" so that he will finally be able to enjoy the game and put an end to "Eeyore"-ing to whoever listens.

Oh and his crusade against bars and venues, even the normal the ones.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

He can't stop. The numbers on his screen corner keep reminding him that he's carrying the weight of the playerbase on his shoulders. His only hope is to rouse the impassioned masses into doing "something" to the "parasites" so that he will finally be able to enjoy the game and put an end to "Eeyore"-ing to whoever listens.

Oh and his crusade against bars and venues, even the normal the ones.

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Disappointing, I thought you above the filth that infects Siren. You were so close to the truth, but you deflect it. Sad, really.

I been reading this awhile, and want to add my perspective on this very long back and forth.

This is going to be a ramble, so if you read it. Kudos.


A very long time ago, when I was much younger I played EQ, did some raiding and did not know much about min/maxing. After all..I was a ranger. Endless quiver/sow bot.

Got into wow, and my views of mmorpg changed. I was a raid leader, and a toxic one at that. If you want to do end game content, you should play your best or at least try your best. If you failed more than once on the same thing. You had to bring a repair bot for the people you failed. We geared you out, and that gear you used belongs to all of us. That was the guild pride. Many expansions later, I gained a disability, and I can no longer play as good as I once was. I am sure I could find people that would accept that, but it is a me problem. I can't accept it, and to this day struggle to accept it.

Now, I play a MMO with my wife...and she is the type of player that use to make me rage. She would look at a class, pick what skills she liked and did not like and use the ones she only liked.
When I told her that is not good dps. She would be like so? I'm like, don't you want to improve? She said sure I do, in the way that is fun to me.

Watching her fail and laugh, smile and have fun in games that I use to take serious. I understand that it was not her playing the game wrong. It was me.

My point of this story is, I'm glad this game protects her from people like me, Who would try and teach her or be upset and lash out at her for wasting my time. This game to get through the story content, it sometimes requires us to group. So i am glad that I can have some peace of mind knowing that if people try and ruin her way of thinking or fun. They can get in trouble. It is not anyone place.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Disappointing, I thought you above the filth that infects Siren. You were so close to the truth, but you deflect it. Sad, really.

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And this is the problem right here folks. OP looks upon players who are not up to their personal standards as filth. Not people. This is why it is completely useless to explain to them that not everyone "below" them is intending to be a parasite. If they can't see them as people, then they will never accept the human reasons why people play the way that they do.

There is a word for a person like this but I'm going to refrain from using it. I'm sure many of you know exactly what I mean.