Funny thing about all that is that this is a major pivot from what the Light originally was—Christianity with the serial numbers filed off. Mostly because back in Warcraft 1 it literally was just Christianity, and it wasn't until 2 and 3 that the developers moved away from real world faith in favor of fantasy. But even as late as, I think it was Warlords of Draenor, the Light was still treated as an Absolute Good contrasted to the Absolute Evil that was both the Void and Fel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absimiliard
All this is to say that the current status quo is one hell of a pivot, and more impressively it's a pivot they've been sticking to for... we're closing in on seven years now. Wow.
Contrast that with FFXIV, where they couldn't go one expansion after such a pivot before falling back into old habits. Even the singular mention of Light and Dark being elemental polarities instead of moral opposites—the codex entry for Zodiark—is written like it's an antiquated and disproven belief and not something the protagonists recently learned to be true.
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08-03-2023, 12:18 AMRosenstrauch
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08-03-2023, 08:26 AMTheodric
I do appreciate it when a setting has the stones to avoid the infantile trope that is equating darkness with evil and light with good. Even purely in terms of aesthetics, preferences differ.
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08-05-2023, 07:24 AMVyrerus
Any word on when they're releasing the second half of the 7.0 trailer? I wanna huff some copium.
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08-05-2023, 07:46 AMAtelier-Bagur
maybe at EU Fanfest? idk
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08-05-2023, 08:07 AMAmenaraFull trailer will come out with JP fanfest more than likely. We will probably get a job reveal in EU fanfest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyrerus
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08-05-2023, 08:28 AMmagtuired
Little late to the party with this topic but in terms of death, I really thought that Thancred was going to die in Endwalker considering his character arc from Heavensward had very satisfyingly been completed and Endwalker did not throw out any interesting ideas for where it could go.
I sincerely thought when he disappeared to manifest Ultima Thule physically that it was going to be a permadeath and it felt really fitting he would do it as a last act of defiance and as a last act as a character.
Then when the scions all started having their own little mini speeches where they disappeared I realise they were all going to come back and it frankly made the ending fall flat on it's ass for me. -
08-05-2023, 10:18 PMHallideus
Honestly? Yeah, at the time going through it for the first time I didn't mind and just took it as is but over time I've not been able to shake the apprehensiveness towards the story. At least the 6.0 big story.
Most of it I felt was great, well executed, with some brilliant use of side characters and twists to get us from A to B to C.
Now, I'm sorry in advance if this seems a bit negative, but this is simply how I feel. My 2p. My opinion.
The way Zodiark was handled really didn't sit right with me.
Mind you, Fandaniel was absolute fire.
Oh and he was actually the bloke from Crystal Tower with the funky hat everyone kept outrolling me on? Like, sure, yeah, Ascian and all, he can be that guy too. Just Let him have his magnificent hat ffs. Worst offence of the game entirely. Do the devs know how much a hat tells you about a person? For shame!!
Personally I didn't really didn't vibe with the fact the ACTUAL big bad all along, was basically past-Fandaniel's very emo bird. The Zodiark-Hydaelyn dynamic that was built up and hyped up for the last 10 years was subsumed for Existential Twitter, who I just met like 5 minutes ago basically.
The entirety of the Ultima Thule zone though was horrid for me. Exhausting, I actually really disliked that zone and the way the story went for it. Self yeeting scions to carve you a path to the big bad, but get brought back effortlessly before the big fight. Only for Zenos to gatecrash at the end because he's horny for a fight like a chav after a few cans of stella. Oh you beat the big bad emo bird causing the end of the world? "1v1 me brah no balls, no balls". Everything else is a minor gripe but this zone, this entire zone was torture.
Now the patch stories of us going into the void and getting the FF4 references has been far better, the Pandaemonium and Myths of the Realm too. Better. Though Pandaemonium turns into a bit of a "daddy issues" story, with a twist at the end of "yer ma was actually a psycho, son" and some very wholesome bromance going on. Still better.
Oh and as a sidenote does anyone else feel Anima could have been a proper awesome standalone trial? Bit of a waste but, ah well. You can't have it all. -
08-06-2023, 05:48 AMOooBlooPloom
Dollar store crusted up powerbait
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08-09-2023, 12:18 AMTheodricThat was almost certainly planned to be the case, though for whatever reason we ended up losing out on a Garlemald focused expansion. A shame, but it is what it is - the current stance of the development team seems to no longer be fond of the same world and tone they established back in the days of ARR and seem eager to move away from it.Quote:
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08-09-2023, 01:38 AMMikkoAkureWhat are you talking about? ARR lore was practically nonexistent and the tone was the very blatant “dark=evil, light=good” that you complained about a few posts above. The Garleans and Ascians were cartoonishly evil back then with no motivation other than “they’re bad guys”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
I wish they had an Anima trial and I think Zodiark should’ve been the 2nd trial instead of the first and that Meteion should’ve been cut. I disagree with a Garlemald-focused expansion though because it would’ve just been Stormblood 2.0 and I could not at all suffer Zenos for yet another expansion
That possible extra expansion was cut during planning phase when they were considering either 1 or 2 more before ending the story. Someone decided it was time to end the Hydaelyn-Zodiark saga and at this point with all the main Ascians dead, I think it was time.