The growing entitlement issues of the casuals

FFXI went in the right direction when they took camping HNMs out of the equation with Limbus/Sky "pops"/Einherjar/Sea "pops"/etc. These are things that both casual and hardcore players can get into, because there isn't a huge time constraint on it. It was all about setting times where everyone was available to get together and make the runs. I know some of the pop item NMs were time spawns but only 3 hours and most LSs would do a simple search to see if other LSs were in the area or have a mule with widescan to get around the waiting part. They even turned the infamous Ulli to a pop NM after there were so many claim wars on him. Anything that requires extensive amount of camping or as I call it, time wasted isn't needed. Believe me I did alot of it back in the day, I had a Ridill...and I regret all the time spent...

In the end, there can be only one.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

so mastering the game means completing a very specific hardcore event? And did i say WoW....because i dont remember saying WoW? If anything, WoW is one of the few games that is balanced, of course not perfectly, but it has hardcore and casual elements, it wouldnt last that long as long as it has without it.

Either way, adding in a few "hardcore" style events doesnt suddenly detract from the other "casual" stereotypes.

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No. Mastering the game means having the skill to compete.

Skill has NOTHING to do with the time you put in.

Be hardcore all you want, but you're not a better player than a casual player just because you spent more time playing.

I guarantee I was a much better player than a lot of hardcore players on WoW, and I only played 4 hours a day for 3 days a week. Had much better gear than players who played 8+ hours a day for 7 days a week because of it. Most of those "hardcore" players were just like the "hardcore" in this thread who ran around screaming "casuals have no skill". They were also the same players who had basic, non-heroic epics because they couldn't get their heads out of their arses long enough to follow simple fight mechanics (hurr durr don't step in the fire). So they spent their time in general chat trolling because no serious raiding guild wanted them, regardless of how much time they devoted to the game.

My CASUAL guild that only raided 4 hours/day, 3 days/week spent less than half the amount of time learning progression fights than HARDCORE guilds, yet we were in the top 3 guilds on my server in progression and most of those HARDCORE guilds couldn't even get past bosses that we had killed months before.

That was the best part about WoW. People recognized skill instead of the amount of time played. People understood that time spent on a game does not make a person better. Instead, they saw that the best players were the ones who could learn something in the shortest amount of time. People were rewarded by SKILL, not by TIME.

So I don't care if you play 12+ hours a day, 7 days a week. If you're terrible, you don't deserve gear more than an actual skillful player who only plays 4 hours a day, 3 days a week.

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Originally Posted by Seif

if there's no depth of gameplay to discover one can do the vegetative monotonous activity only for so long...

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So you want stimulating repetitive activity? lol. You and all the rest of you that agree are nuts. Nuts! For real, you shouldn't like monotonus OR repetitive gameplay. I have faith in Yoshi-P to take that out of this game eventually. It's laziness on the part of the MMO developers to make it that way. Please be like a true nut.. bury yourself.. and then sprout.. some self-respect!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBxvU...eature=related

Can I choose the "casual that's better than you anyway" route?