Please Allow 50's to Enter Ishgard w/o having completed MSQ

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

I managed to enter Coerthas and Mor Dhona even before the main story told me to, so why not Ishgard?

Give people access to the city at least? That way we could at least take a glimpse of Ishgard once we bought the expansion and somehow get the in touch with the new jobs? I'm fine not having to do the newer dungeons and raids until I finish MSQ. Also, the new zones would be useless to newbies anyway (who are at least lv 35 upon their first arrival to the Coerthas' Steps of Faith) since the mobs there would have been too powerful for them.

I'm also kinda thinking about this lore-wise. I'm not finished with the story yet so I'm guessing a bit here. Somehow in the progression of MSQ I assume you will be granted access to Ishgard because of your feats and recognition as a revered hero, Warrior of Light. Following that, Ishgard will allow only *one* person (you, or maybe the Scions too) access to their holy lands. It will make sense if Ishgard is instanced as you only see yourself there. But once you enter Ishgard, obviously you see hundreds of adventurers walking around. Sure they're also Warriors of Light in their respective stories, but painting a bigger picture in a role-playing sense where everyone is a humble adventurer then that might be kinda off. This would also be contrary to Ishgard's break from their isolationist policies and opening their gates to everyone.

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There are not armed guards outside of Coerthas or Mor Dhona preventing people from entering. The guards are only there to keep monsters out in the settlements in those two regions. The guards are like "whatever adventurer, it's your neck" and then swat down whatever thing that was trying to eat you chased you into the city.

As for the lore, the final battle "The Steps of Faith" pits you against a giant dragon, along with 7 others, but there are other battles going on on other fronts. All the other adventurers going into the city helped defend it against the dragons in one of those battles. Hence why Ishgard can get flooded with people and not break lore.

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But the point remains that because of the story it makes no sense at all to go to Ishgard. Furthermore the ishgardians wouldn't even let in outsiders, until certain events occur.

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Hmm, in that regard, I wouldn't have been able to buy things from Revenant's Toll until after they mentioned to me the existence of Mor Dhona in the Main Story. This is a bit after the Garuda fight, but I fought her using i100 stuff I bought there.

In respect to the MSQ, I agree it won't make sense going there until certain events occur. But with respect to the bigger picture, it's fine.
With the release of Heavensward expansion, such events have already occurred and Ishgard has declared it has opened its gates to *everyone* (or did they? I dunno, but I think I read this in a synopsis somewhere), this means that any adventurer passing through the Steps of Faith will be allowed entry to the holy city. It's not like the guards will halt you if you're not the Chosen One.

Imagine a role-play scenario like this (juxtaposes as actual player scenario who just bought Heavensward):
*at the steps of faith*
Newb Adventurer A: So this is the revered holy city of Ishgard. I heard they are teaching outsiders the ways of the Dark Knight there.
Newb Adventurer B: Dark Knight? That sounds awesome! Where do we sign up?
Ishguard: Halt! Who goes there!
Newb Adventurer A: Greetings, honored guardsman of Ishgard. We have come from the distant lands of Limsa Lominsa in search of learning Ishgard's secret arts of the Dark Knight.
Ishguard: You shall not pass!
Newb Adventurer B: Whaaat? But your Holy See has declared open gates to everyone?!
Ishguard: Only the Warrior of Light may pass these sacred grounds! Now move along!
Newb Adventurer B: Aw bummer

Well, yeah I'm stretching this quite a bit. But I really feel we could at least get a bit of an immediate returns when we buy Heavensward. At this pace, I don't have reason to buy the expansion until I finish the MSQ first. Is that how it's supposed to be?

Not everyone. The gates are open to everyone who helped defend against the Dravonians in the last battle of 2.55. That includes the Warrior of Light and all the other adventurers who helped, of which there could have been thousands (but only 7 others present at Steps of Faith.)

If you haven't finished 2.55 you're not part of that group.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

Not everyone. The gates are open to everyone who helped defend against the Dravonians in the last battle of 2.55. That includes the Warrior of Light and all the other adventurers who helped, of which there could have been thousands (but only 7 others present at Steps of Faith.)

If you haven't finished 2.55 you're not part of that group.

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Hmm the Holy See should have included that clause...

Okay I understand the lore now. But then again this leaves me another concern: What reason should I buy Heavensward right now if I haven't finished MSQ yet? If nothing... then I'll just bite it and move on then. :(

Or I finish MSQ first, which leads me to buying Heavensward a few months after its release. Yes, I can speed through it over the weekend. No, I don't want to speed through it over the weekend and I have other stuff to do.

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

Well, yeah I'm stretching this quite a bit. But I really feel we could at least get a bit of an immediate returns when we buy Heavensward. At this pace, I don't have reason to buy the expansion until I finish the MSQ first. Is that how it's supposed to be?

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Well, If you were level 50 for some time but still only at Garuda in the Main Scenario quest then thats really your own fault. :P
Besides, its not like they didnt announce it well ahead of time.

It takes 4 or 5 days to really grind out story mode... just do it. You're wasting more time fighting it. I did it in my trial period...

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Originally Posted by NoxNoctis

It takes 4 or 5 days to really grind out story mode... just do it. You're wasting more time fighting it. I did it in my trial period...

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To be fair, it is easy to do that it that quickly as healer, A person who has only a dps job will not be so "quick" with progression.

To be fair he's been registered since Oct 2014. I was registered last month... so, it shouldn't take THAT long.

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Originally Posted by NoxNoctis

It takes 4 or 5 days to really grind out story mode... just do it. You're wasting more time fighting it. I did it in my trial period...

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Oh yes, I totally understand. (not sarcasm)
At this point, I'm not fighting it... but I concede.

Seeing as there's not much point in me getting Heavensward as of right now, the hype just got lost in me.
I'm taking a break for now. Then maybe get back again when I feel like it.

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Originally Posted by ZodiacBrave

Oh yes, I totally understand. (not sarcasm)
At this point, I'm not fighting it... but I concede.

Seeing as there's not much point in me getting Heavensward as of right now, the hype just got lost in me.
I'm taking a break for now. Then maybe get back again when I feel like it.

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That's how it should be, don't ever play something if you don't feel like it. That's addiction not enjoyment, I wish you luck.