Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

Wow, there really is no such thing as pleasing people. Endwalker was a great end to the tale of the Warrior of Light, now we're back to being some adventurer and you know what. I LIKE Wuk Lamat, she's actually refreshing from the CONSTANT downers we've had the last couple of runs.

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Originally Posted by GeissTheWild

Wow, there really is no such thing as pleasing people. Endwalker was a great end to the tale of the Warrior of Light, now we're back to being some adventurer and you know what. I LIKE Wuk Lamat, she's actually refreshing from the CONSTANT downers we've had the last couple of runs.

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I am happy for you

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Originally Posted by Mcg55ss

That would be tragic, A lot of people are unsatisfied because people have MCS- Main Character Syndrome and basically if the story is not centrally revolved around them for w/e reason it is bad. To me personally i don't need this i could see out the gate in the prepatch we are not the protagonist in this story but the side character but that is not to everyones liking. Sadly i think they will go back to Scion focused story from here with every expansion being another world ending disaster we have to stop which will get old but probably at slower pace because people will feel the story is centered around them so it will make a lot happy. Do i have a problem with the story?? Honestly no it isn't terrible writing might be lil obvious in some parts where it is going but what story really isn't once you get older.

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I think this is a misread of the situation. While no doubt many people enjoy being the focus (in an MMORPG game no less), there is also the reality that by this point our character has been written in a way that sidelining them rarely makes sense.

The reality is we are unique in this world, by connections, power, knowledge, and experience. Anything that has the Warrior of Light take the backseat needs to have a pretty well thought out reason as to why. Not just because "it feels bad" to not be the center of attention, but because it's hard to understand why we would sit back and let people die or chaos reign.

Krile was given a great excuse as to why she might have been uniquely positioned to help advance this story, but instead we give all the focus to Wuk, who we have zero reason to put our faith in and who by all accounts should not be given the leeway to risk the safety of an entire continent, let alone the star by the time Alexandria becomes involved.

TL;DR it's just bad writing.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

I personally think though, the reaction will not be „hey Wuk Lamar was to central to the plot and there were writing issues“.
Instead if a reaction happens at all it will be „hey the players don‘t like low stake stories and adventuring. Let’s go back to the old scions vs evil worldending thread plot“.

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Would be kinda ironic since DT isn't really the "low stakes" story that was advertised, especially in its second part since it's pretty much the old scions Wuk Lumat vs evil worldending thread plot.

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Originally Posted by CottonC

Honestly? I am not sure what was worse. The voiceover of the final trial or the fact I was overjoyed that finally at the end of the expansion I have some time for myself, my own safe space where I can REJOICE IN THE GLORY OF COMBAT I was so suffocated by Wuk Lamat at this point I almost was moved to tears by being able to do something on my own... and then, she appeared, again. Not leaving even one single experience for me to enjoy.

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I'm doing the melee role quests before starting the level 99 MSQ and it's a breath of fresh air to unravel the story by myself with no Wuk Lamat in sight pushing her opinions and expecting praise. Doing this quest line veeeeeery slowly just to extend the time away from her. I've never felt like I needed to actively avoid the MSQ to enjoy the game until now. Not even in ARR.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

I'm doing the melee role quests before starting the level 99 MSQ and it's a breath of fresh air to unravel the story by myself with no Wuk Lamat in sight pushing her opinions and expecting praise. Doing this quest line veeeeeery slowly just to extend the time away from her. I've never felt like I needed to actively avoid the MSQ to enjoy the game until now. Not even in ARR.

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I find myself thinking of moving on in the quest, and then doing inventory management or real-life household chores to stall.
I'm now in the last zone, and in any previous expansion I would binge the main quest by now, regardless of if there were some tedious filler lulls in between before. Why is she still here, why is everything still about her; I knew by now that this would be the case, and it still bothers me and I was still angry to leave several scions (longtime companions with sound magic-scientific knowledge we could use) behind at the door and taking Wuk Lamat along instead to be clueless about everything and continue to take the spotlight. When they said her going was a given, no it was not. There is zero reason she should be here.
I just don't care anymore, the zone's pretty and all, but I just want to end this misery.

I had my disagreements with some plot beats of the previous expansions, but I was always engaged, I always loved the game. Wasn't a fan of the Endwalker patch main quest, but loved Pandaemonium, so I was overall optimistic going into this. I don't understand what this is.

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Originally Posted by Mcg55ss

That would be tragic, A lot of people are unsatisfied because people have MCS- Main Character Syndrome and basically if the story is not centrally revolved around them for w/e reason it is bad. To me personally i don't need this i could see out the gate in the prepatch we are not the protagonist in this story but the side character but that is not to everyones liking. Sadly i think they will go back to Scion focused story from here with every expansion being another world ending disaster we have to stop which will get old but probably at slower pace because people will feel the story is centered around them so it will make a lot happy. Do i have a problem with the story?? Honestly no it isn't terrible writing might be lil obvious in some parts where it is going but what story really isn't once you get older.

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Diluting fair and valid criticisms over the MSQ to simply being unsatisfied about not being the main character in an RPG where the world revolves around the player character and their actions and impact on the world is very disingenuous. In Dawntrail, the world revolves around Wookie and we are simply watching her engage with it while holding her hand every step of the way, which is boring and to those such as myself who find her insufferable, aggravating. Especially when all the steps we do take to engage in the world for most of the MSQ is the same "talk to 5 people", "find 3 objects randomly placed in this huge radius", "pray return to Wukkie", in no less than at least 4 zones. That is the issue.

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Chubaca... I mean Wookie, I mean Wuk Lamat could easily be a side quest content, throughout MSQ we are made to suffer and yes, it was akin to suffering, acceptable at best up to terrible voice acting at least in English version of the game, I do hope other languages were spared this part. Her development is from love all to love all with understanding their culture, which she disregards in the conclusion of the story, not approving of style of life in Solution 9, without so much as attempting to understand it. And it seems like every single person is absolutely adoring her for no apparent reason, she was okay as initial character but after spending whole MSQ watching her, she is basically a Naruto just simplified even more than aforementioned character. Whole story seem to follow what is needed for her arc disregarding other characters at times. Not to mention that the whole 3650 times faster time flow within the dome severs only two purposes, causing a lot more issues with consistency and narrative, one is for Wuk Lamat mommy to die of old age... frankly it could have been handled in any different way. The other one is Erenville mom who has to have time to die and become endless. Also could have been handled some other way. It seems that with this rate of time flow Zoraal Ja after the initial attack on Tuliuollal waited for 15-30 years before train breached the dome.

Not to mention some other weird choices like cowboys dueling with rubber bullets, and sure perhaps they did not want to kill each other but saying that duel is with rubber bullets up front made me feel like I am watching adult kids playing cowboys. Could have been solved in a different manner as well, with dual feeling legit - and afterword's, kid admitting that he used rubber bullet so that Vulture could face justice. It'd have so much greater feeling.

Only good thing from this MSQ is that ARR seems way way better in retrospect.

Just finished msq and gotta say, I did not enjoy playing second fiddle to a character I didn't like that much. You could've cut my character out and put a random merc there and it would've been exactly the same. Really disappointing. I've never seen a character force themselves to be in every scene so much.

After playing the game for 11+ years this is my least favorite story of almost any RPG I've ever played. Not only that, but in most games for me this is usually grounds for not buying the next game, because that's just how annoying it was.

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Originally Posted by CottonC

she is basically a Naruto just simplified even more than aforementioned character.

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Considering this expansion story felt like filler while also coming off of a patch storyline that felt like filler, that Naruto comparison is pretty apt.