FF14 player count reached the lowest point in 4 years. We lost 75% of the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

Exmo upset I didn't fall for bait, Exmo upset and tryin harder.

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https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6722212

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Originally Posted by Exmo

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6722212

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You learned how to use copy and paste. Good giiiirl. So smart.

anecdotally it does seem in decline at the moment

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Originally Posted by bic12

Lol last 30 days is now 14,515.8, there wasn't even a bump in the month for 7.25 lmao

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Yeah well bot armies in limsa aren't real players. How come these bleeding hearts always show up with this. Necroing posts and telling people to unsub when the weebs seemingly get their extremely sensitive feelings hurt?

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

People love to complain about player numbers when it suits them to bolster their own argument but really what difference does it make if there are 1 million or 2 million or 500,000 people playing the game? Does that make the game more fun for your personally to know that there are 1.9mil other people player over only 499,999 thousand?

The number matters for the people at square tasked with making money, but doesn't really matter to players unless it drops to the threshold where the game isn't profitable at all.

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3h wait time to fill an ultimate pf only to disband 10 minutes in. Used to be 15 mins to fill in early EW.

https://x.com/aitaikimochi/status/1954023035385905249
https://xcancel.com/aitaikimochi/sta...23035385905249

"MMO gross sales decreased by ¥2.9 billion yen (-23%) and operational profits are down ¥3 billion (-45%)"

This is not good. But it is deserved, IMHO.


Cheers

https://i.ibb.co/8gXCGQdm/IMG-2646.jpg

By the way... August was also the most disastrous month on record since Dec 2020.

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Originally Posted by Altina_Orion

Thats because ffxiv players like to make things up. We still were never promised a second chaotic and we were also not promised a second ultimate. All they said was that they are working on an ultimate. It'l LIKELY to release in 7.5 but we were never promised it.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/dawntrail/contents/

Literally everything we were promised is on that site. Only one ultimate is listed. The chaotic was the only real surprise so far and a second one is not guaranteed.

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Wrrrrrrrrong, not everything is posted on this page, sometimes they release it in exclusive interviews or live letters. So I would not take that page as gospel.
Key Details
Confirmation: Director Naoki Yoshida confirmed that a second Ultimate is planned for the Dawntrail 7.x patch series.
Expected Timing: The release is tentatively scheduled for Patch 7.5, which is in the first half of 2026, though this is subject to the usual patch release cadence.
Current Status: The Dawntrail Ultimate was not in Patch 7.3, but development is actively ongoing for the next one.
Historical Context: Final Fantasy XIV expansions typically feature two Ultimate raids, and this has been the plan for Dawntrail as well, according to a Reddit post.

"Lost 75% of the playerbase" is a completely wrong statement lol

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Originally Posted by Exinias

"Lost 75% of the playerbase" is a completely wrong statement lol

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At the rate things are going, it might not be an exaggeration soon. The forum is starting to look like a ghost town now, and when people stop complaining...

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Originally Posted by Masha_Awandah

At the rate things are going, it might not be an exaggeration soon. The forum is starting to look like a ghost town now, and when people stop complaining...

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"Starting to look like a ghost town now" when the forums were manic for the past few weeks excepting this one feels like doomsaying.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

"Starting to look like a ghost town now" when the forums were manic for the past few weeks excepting this one feels like doomsaying.

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Well, all the usual doomsayers unsubscribed, so someone has to fill the void.

Jokes aside, the past few weeks mania was due to several news that left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth, so the eerie silence of the last couple days does not inspire confidence.

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Originally Posted by Masha_Awandah

Well, all the usual doomsayers unsubscribed, so someone has to fill the void.

Jokes aside, the past few weeks mania was due to several news that left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth, so the eerie silence of the last couple days does not inspire confidence.

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As soon as there's more news or another interview, the whingers will be back in full force, don't worry.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

whingers [sic]

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People like you are intriguing to me. If we have an issue with the game then the dev's tell us to say so on the forum because they're stuck in 2001 and forget that other forms of social media are where most players express their opinions of the game. Then we come to the forum and say we have an issue with the game. Then the dev's ignore us and people on the forums tell us that if we're not here to glaze Lordgod Yoshi P then we should unsub and play other games. And then we do. And then it gets quiet on the forums and they start to lower the production quality of FF14 because it's bleeding players and the income flow is disappearing at a rate so alarming that SE investors are speaking out. Are you going to call them whingers [sic] too (I'm assuming you were trying to call valid complaints "whining" in an effort to minimalize the validity of the complaint and shift the focus from the billion dollar company who actually has a responsibility in the matter back to the player. For what reason I simply cannot intelligently reason)?

It's such bizarre behavior. Trying to invalidate the legitimacy of a complaint by painting the individual who's making the complaint as emotional or irrational. To what end? I simply have to know. The forum was designed for feedback and discussion. If you don't like the feedback and discussion, may I recommend Reddit or Bluesky? Twitter lets people who have legitimate complaints speak their minds though so you might wanna avoid that place.

Remember, most players have left the game full stop. And most of those didn't even say a word when they left, they just left. It should be seen as a blessing to the dev's that some of us are willing to give some insight into why their flagship game is in decline, and will eventually begin to enter a state of failure at this rate. Obstructing legitimate criticism and valid feedback is not a boon for the game's health, it is a detriment. The forum goalies need to realize this.

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Originally Posted by All_Nonsense

Then the dev's ignore us and people on the forums tell us that if we're not here to glaze Lordgod Yoshi P then we should unsub and play other games.

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I definitely agree with you that we should post our feedback here. Even if we may or may not agree on the feedback. I agree that the numbers are what they should be looking at.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

"Starting to look like a ghost town now" when the forums were manic for the past few weeks excepting this one feels like doomsaying.

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"Manic" = a few dozen people posting. In a game that has reached 1 million+ active players.

I’m amazed that people don’t see how “forums only seem to have energy when stupid controversy borne of squares awful decision making comes around” isn’t just a massive red flag in it of itself

And I’m one of the “manic” poster exmo would be describing, even I barely care anymore

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Originally Posted by All_Nonsense

People like you are intriguing to me. If we have an issue with the game then the dev's tell us to say so on the forum because they're stuck in 2001 and forget that other forms of social media are where most players express their opinions of the game. Then we come to the forum and say we have an issue with the game. Then the dev's ignore us and people on the forums tell us that if we're not here to glaze Lordgod Yoshi P then we should unsub and play other games. And then we do. And then it gets quiet on the forums and they start to lower the production quality of FF14 because it's bleeding players and the income flow is disappearing at a rate so alarming that SE investors are speaking out. Are you going to call them whingers [sic] too (I'm assuming you were trying to call valid complaints "whining" in an effort to minimalize the validity of the complaint and shift the focus from the billion dollar company who actually has a responsibility in the matter back to the player. For what reason I simply cannot intelligently reason)?

It's such bizarre behavior. Trying to invalidate the legitimacy of a complaint by painting the individual who's making the complaint as emotional or irrational. To what end? I simply have to know. The forum was designed for feedback and discussion. If you don't like the feedback and discussion, may I recommend Reddit or Bluesky? Twitter lets people who have legitimate complaints speak their minds though so you might wanna avoid that place.

Remember, most players have left the game full stop. And most of those didn't even say a word when they left, they just left. It should be seen as a blessing to the dev's that some of us are willing to give some insight into why their flagship game is in decline, and will eventually begin to enter a state of failure at this rate. Obstructing legitimate criticism and valid feedback is not a boon for the game's health, it is a detriment. The forum goalies need to realize this.

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Discrediting people online and achieving nothing in the process is a popular thing to do. You'll get used to it. If the post is concerningly bad enough there's even a button for that.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I’m amazed that people don’t see how “forums only seem to have energy when stupid controversy borne of squares awful decision making comes around” isn’t just a massive red flag in it of itself

And I’m one of the “manic” poster exmo would be describing, even I barely care anymore

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Yeah

When even was one of the casual threads up on the front Page? Think the whole 'show your X race glam' threads, or tales from DF, etc. Stuff that's normal Forum chitchat not complaints.

Not everyone who complains is a whinger.
If you get defensive at the thought that you might be a whinger, you might be a whinger.
I said the forums were manic, not people were manic. Deliberately misreading simple sentences uncharitably makes you look like a total thorn.

Can we get a definition of “who complains but is not a whiner”

Because from previous interactions with you it seems like that definition starts and stops at “complains about thing I decide are allowed to be complained about” given you’ve called people whiners before who are providing detailed arguments about their problems simply because you didn’t like the stance they took

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Originally Posted by Exmo

I said the forums were manic, not people were manic. Deliberately misreading simple sentences uncharitably makes you look like a total thorn.

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At its core the forum itself is literally a platform with some degree of hierarchical structure that organizes different sets of data in a database. Hosted on a website. It is incapable of taking on behaviors and personality traits such as "mania" by its very nature because those are behaviors that only biological life is capable of performing at this current time. This logically leads one to a singular conclusion: When one references the forum in such a way that they're describing its "behaviors" or "personality," they are inherently discussing the people who create the data stored in the database (such as posts, go figure). It's actually the most charitable and honest interpretation someone can naturally derive.

idk what kind of pseudo logic you're using to deflect here but it's not doing much for me, sorry.

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At its core the forum itself is literally a platform with some degree of hierarchical structure that organizes different sets of data in a database. Hosted on a website. It is incapable of taking on behaviors and personality traits such as "mania" by its very nature because those are behaviors that only biological life is capable of performing at this current time. This logically leads one to a singular conclusion: When one references the forum in such a way that they're describing its "behaviors" or "personality," they are inherently discussing the people who create the data stored in the database (such as posts, go figure). It's actually the most charitable and honest interpretation someone can naturally derive.

idk what kind of pseudo logic you're using to deflect here but it's not doing much for me, sorry.

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Post History is a crazy thing.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

I said the forums were manic, not people were manic. Deliberately misreading simple sentences uncharitably makes you look like a total thorn.

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I would take manic to mean forums being active, if that's not your meaning I think it would be a good idea to clarify and go from there.

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Originally Posted by Elephantality

I would take manic to mean forums being active, if that's not your meaning I think it would be a good idea to clarify and go from there.

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Yep that's the intended meaning. It's conventional usage and is clear from the context on the conversation. But I don't think some others here care. It's not a case of misunderstanding, they're just being belligerent.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Yep that's the intended meaning. It's conventional usage and is clear from the context on the conversation. But I don't think some others here care. It's not a case of misunderstanding, they're just being belligerent.

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Certain sections remain active. I'm really bummed to see the Lore section of the forum being so slow. There just wasn't anything in Dawntrail that sparked discussion or research. It was just "DT bad" and now that we're moving to the next era it's quiet.

y do ppl keep falling for exmo's ragebait : wilted_rose:

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Originally Posted by bic12

y do ppl keep falling for exmo's ragebait : wilted_rose:

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Haven't figured it out yet. Case of Occam's Razor. Simplest solution is the correct one.

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Originally Posted by bic12

y do ppl keep falling for exmo's ragebait : wilted_rose:

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You're missing the broken heart emoji

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Certain sections remain active. I'm really bummed to see the Lore section of the forum being so slow. There just wasn't anything in Dawntrail that sparked discussion or research. It was just "DT bad" and now that we're moving to the next era it's quiet.

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Part of the problem is that sections like Lore tend to have a relatively narrow set of players being active there in the first place, and if they're currently on break or left the game, the sub-forum will become more stagnant. There's also the matter of some threads that should have been posted in Lore being posted in General instead, because some users can't be bothered to check the sub-forums and General is simply the most active by far so they go here by default.

So it's not really a DT issue specifically, although it is more noticeable in this expansion due to the overall lower amount of players.

Check housing today on EU, so many plots demolished. Auto demolish is back.

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Originally Posted by Little_Giant

Check housing today on EU, so many plots demolished. Auto demolish is back.

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Although some reports of a glitch, it seems as if it is mostly auto-demolish.

Its pretty worrying to be honest though - solid numbers pointing to players who quit.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Although some reports of a glitch, it seems as if it is mostly auto-demolish.

Its pretty worrying to be honest though - solid numbers pointing to players who quit.

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What do you mean about a thousand plots opened up on every server across two datacenters? We all know that no one actually quits this game and it's just the forums being hysterical.

you know it is bad when people are letting that many houses go.

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Although some reports of a glitch, it seems as if it is mostly auto-demolish.

Its pretty worrying to be honest though - solid numbers pointing to players who quit.

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Personally, I'd recommend checking in a couple weeks. Houses that got auto-demolished point to people with houses who have cycled out, but not people without houses who have cycled back in (and couldn't get a house b/c the plots were full). Auto-demo has been paused for a long time. If those houses don't get re-filled, then it means something to me. If they simply get swept right back up, all it was really "evidence" of is how long auto-demo was turned off; many of the people may have moved on a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by IttyBittyShark

you know it is bad when people are letting that many houses go.

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Are you sure, really? I mean, if the owners found a new game or lost interest in FFXIV, it's nice that everyone who wanted a house can buy them now on EU.

They had like 3k open plots in Aether a few months ago, which is huge since we rarely get added new housing wards.

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

Are you sure, really? I mean, if the owners found a new game or lost interest in FFXIV, it's nice that everyone who wanted a house can buy them now on EU.

They had like 3k open plots in Aether a few months ago, which is huge since we rarely get added new housing wards.

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“It’s a good thing that the games population is collapsing because there is more of the pointlessly limited stuff that never should have been limited for the dregs who remain”

14 players will literally justify anything

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

Are you sure, really? I mean, if the owners found a new game or lost interest in FFXIV, it's nice that everyone who wanted a house can buy them now on EU

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And then people will say that the bubonic plague was good because it created a labor scarcity and workers were able to leverage it to their advantage and ignore that most of the people from Europe into Asia died. There's like 3 houses available in the entire game or whatever. Of course *someone's* gonna take one of them. By your metric, the game could have 6k active players per data center and it be a good thing since everyone gets a house.

On the bright side, a lot of houses are opening up for folks. But it's not a good indicator by any means. It's actually kind of alarming

You know, I actually used to think Square was insane.
A while ago I charted out in the Housing section of this forum how every year or so consistently, we'd get new wards + new housing region, and I was saying over there like, "Man, you guys. Why has it been three whole years without any new wards or housing regions added? Not a single one, not ONE new ward in literal years-what is going on that we're not getting anything housing related anymore, not even house skins?"

I wasnt thinking big enough. It's not about..adding new wards. That's rookie thinking, small brained.
The REAL move is to make the game SO boring and bad that everyone quits, and then just like that you don't have to spend a dime because all the housing wards are open again-great job, I'm put in my place, never would have thought of it like that!!

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You know, I actually used to think Square was insane.
A while ago I charted out in the Housing section of this forum how every year or so consistently, we'd get new wards + new housing region, and I was saying over there like, "Man, you guys. Why has it been three whole years without any new wards or housing regions added? Not a single one, not ONE new ward in literal years-what is going on that we're not getting anything housing related anymore, not even house skins?"

I wasnt thinking big enough. It's not about..adding new wards. That's rookie thinking, small brained.
The REAL move is to make the game SO boring and bad that everyone quits, and then just like that you don't have to spend a dime because all the housing wards are open again-great job, I'm put in my place, never would have thought of it like that!!

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i was actually thinking about whenever the game invariably enters its maintenance mode, how empty the wards would be. whether that be 5 or 10 years from now. it would just be really interesting to see something like a large untouched for months or years just because people don't play anymore.