PSN is down

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Originally Posted by baopee

>_< i bought my ps4 solely for FFXIV.

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Mine might as well be a XIV machine. xD So far nothing else has really interested me. I know stuff will in the future but..

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Originally Posted by baopee

sold my ps3 few days ago before x'ams, current laptop is not strong enough to run pc version......

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Ouch. D:

I was able to log in early this morning, but now all I get is a black screen when opening the game on my ps4 :/ but I seem to be logged into the PSN ok.

Edit: Turns out I wasnt signed into psn and am still unable to sign in :(

I see everyone blaming Sony, SE, but the real people to blame are the attackers. Its funny. And guess what, how many of you would pay extra money, say 100/yr for PSN for better service and better security? Maybe instead of blaming the people being victimized, which is not just us but the company as well, lets look at the real issue. Whose to say that this group will stop at Sony? what if they start with other, more important systems that could cause more harm than this?

I think we pay enough, also SE should demand a option to be able to lift temporary PSN Sign in requiremend for PSN Maintances and outages.

This is getting really old really fast. And I'm annoyed because I have to shut off my internet to play the only other game I have (Child of Light) or else it keeps trying to verify DLC. This whole link to your PSN is stupid.

Sony owes everyone who has a PlayStation something and it better not be something stupid like a week of psn+. I want cold hard psn store credit.

i got back in this morning around 7am after seeing someone put on twitter "change your mtu to 1473" took 5 attempts with weird error codes to log in psn, 3-4 weird error codes for ff14 to start, all i know is i ain't logging back out lol

PS3/Vita PSN is apparently back online, but PS4 PSN still isn't.

Source: https://support.us.playstation.com/a...etail/a_id/237

[QUOTE=QiLymePye;2675411]I see everyone blaming Sony, SE, but the real people to blame are the attackers. Its funny. /QUOTE]

It might be funny if this was the first time but it's not. Nor will it be the last, since neither company can seem to get their act together. If websites like squarespace & services like cloud flare can survive & mitigate these attacks... why can't Sony? Their IT team is an embarrasment.

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Originally Posted by QiLymePye

I see everyone blaming Sony, SE, but the real people to blame are the attackers. Its funny. And guess what, how many of you would pay extra money, say 100/yr for PSN for better service and better security? Maybe instead of blaming the people being victimized, which is not just us but the company as well, lets look at the real issue. Whose to say that this group will stop at Sony? what if they start with other, more important systems that could cause more harm than this?

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It's LS fault but I also blame Sony because they're the ones forcing SE to have PS4/3 games linked to your PSN account. SE host the game on their servers. There's no reason for my ps4 to need to "speak" to the Sony servers for anything after I've made my original purchase and set up.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

PS3/Vita PSN is apparently back online, but PS4 PSN still isn't.

Source: https://support.us.playstation.com/a...etail/a_id/237

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They lie. Both are still down. Just tried. Vita gives an error code and PS3 says undergoing maintenance.

well may as well go back to playing the guided fate paradox and get to 9999 the way psn goes i may get to 9999 before it gets up maybe

Guess what, I finally caved in, I placed an order for PC registration code for 10.81, just so I can craft and manage my stuff on MB, 1 hour later, no code, and receive a email from SE says

Square Enix Account Management System
http://account.square-enix.com/
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Dear Valued Square Enix Customer,

Thank you for using the Square Enix Account Management System.

Based upon recent suspicious activity, we have identified that your account may potentially be at risk. For your protection, we have temporarily suspended login access to this account.

went to www.findmyorder.com, they could not even find my order on their system, and yes my credit card did get charged.




Edited: just called www.findmyorder.com, they said, i will receive the confirmation letter (registration code) within 24-72 hours, really?????

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Originally Posted by baopee

Guess what, I finally caved in, I placed an order for PC registration code for 10.81, just so I can craft and manage my stuff on MB, 1 hour later, no code, and receive a email from SE says

Square Enix Account Management System
http://account.square-enix.com/
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Dear Valued Square Enix Customer,

Thank you for using the Square Enix Account Management System.

Based upon recent suspicious activity, we have identified that your account may potentially be at risk. For your protection, we have temporarily suspended login access to this account.

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I got one of those when I changed my billing to a different credit card. All I had to do was change my login password at SE's site and it let me back in.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

PS3/Vita PSN is apparently back online, but PS4 PSN still isn't.

Source: https://support.us.playstation.com/a...etail/a_id/237

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I´m a PS4 player and been online for quite some hours now. It just took alot of tries and error codes to get past all that shit. PSN ain´t working fine just yet but some of us are getting trough to play some games.

Baopee, if you would like to significantly reduce the chance that your login will be locked in the future, you may add a security token using the Square Enix Software Token app on your smartphone or by purchasing a physical security token.

Certain activities such as trying to log in from an IP address outside of your normal geographic area often cause a Square Enix account to be locked until the password is changed or customer service is contacted. However, accounts with an active token rarely experience such disruptions, and if you have one you will receive unlimited free teleports to a location of your choice.

If you have already activated a security token, please disregard the above and sorry for the confusion.

I wish you the best of luck in figuring out where your order went.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...ands_of_a.html

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Originally Posted by QiLymePye

I see everyone blaming Sony, SE, but the real people to blame are the attackers.

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It IS Sony's fault though. Sony has been attacked at least twice these last couple of years. Remember last year or the year before when the psn was down for at least a month because there was a loss of usernames, passwords, email info, and account information on a gross scale for MILLIONS of users? This group warned them that they were going to bring the network down for Christmas a month in advance and they still didn't bring their equipment up to the level it needs to be for it to protect its users and still allow for people to consistently log in and use their services....and guess what? Anon hacked psn, Amazon, and some others today, leaking usernames and passwords, I'm assuming during this downtime SONY has had or has been having. Sony hasn't even had the balls to announce THAT yet http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-9946391.html

So they kept us in the dark for a week as to what really happened last year with the credit card information that was leaked for millions of users after the initial hack (while our bank information was compromised), these last few days as to what is happening with the network and why it still continues to remain down, and now with this recent release of yet more usernames and passwords and people continue to victimize Sony themselves, and not us, the people who have to lose out on our FFXIV subs who play on ps4, the people who can't use their new ps4's for 3 days during Christmas, and the people who pay daily for the ps+ service. Why on Earth do people continue to claim Sony is the victim in this? This company makes billions each year out of sheer profit, and instead of reinvesting that money towards the security of their clients and customers they continue to be lazy and reap the profits at the expense of other's security and welfare.

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Originally Posted by Its_Elodie

It IS Sony's fault though. Sony has been attacked at least twice these last couple of years.

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Here is a real world analogy of what happened. Lets say there is a Sony building customers can go in this building through the many doors. A group says 1 month in advance we are going to attack Sony's building so nobody can get in to play games. 1 month later the group shows up with 2 million people stands in front of all the doors in the building so customers can't get in. Now you tell me how is Sony suppose to stop that attack?

It takes them a very long process to filter out all the millions of IPs that are spamming their PSN servers.

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Originally Posted by Its_Elodie

Sony hasn't even had the balls to announce THAT yet

these last few days as to what is happening with the network and why it still continues to remain down,

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PlayStation Network Update

Catherine Jensen's Avatar + Posted by Catherine Jensen on Dec 27, 2014 // VP, SCEA Consumer Experience

The video game industry has been experiencing high levels of traffic designed to disrupt connectivity and online gameplay. Multiple networks, including PSN, have been affected over the last 48 hours. PSN engineers are working hard to restore full network access and online gameplay as quickly as possible. From time to time there may be disruptions in service due to surges in traffic, but our engineers will be working to restore service as quickly as possible.

If you received a PlayStation console over the holidays and have been unable to log onto the network, know that this problem is temporary and is not caused by your game console. We’ll continue to keep you posted on Twitter at @AskPlayStation and we’ll update this post once the problems subside.

Thanks again for your patience.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Here is a real world analogy of what happened. Lets say there is a Sony building customers can go in this building through the many doors. A group says 1 month in advance we are going to attack Sony's building so nobody can get in to play games. 1 month later the group shows up with 2 million people stands in front of all the doors in the building so customers can't get in. Now you tell me how is Sony suppose to stop that attack?

It takes them a very long process to filter out all the millions of IPs that are spamming their PSN servers.

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I already know what Direct Denial of Service attacks are in addition to how they work, thank you. I'm not in IT but I have family with an extensive background in it whom I have conversed with about it. With the right tools and technology, DDOS attacks can be dealt with and their effects mitigated: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/product...d8011e927.html

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Originally Posted by Its_Elodie

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I'm pretty sure that if Amazon was hit, Sony would probably be likely unable to prevent it either. Same goes for Microsoft and other big companies. You can't prevent DDoS attacks, nor can you prepare for them either. Unless you know the exact amount that they are planning to use, it's probably almost impossible to prevent (because of the ever-expanding methods of DDoSing). Fixing the issue isn't going to be easy either and may take a long time since they have to filter the IPs bombarding the servers with endless queries and requests.

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Originally Posted by AdamFyi

I'm pretty sure that if Amazon was hit, Sony would probably be likely unable to prevent it either.

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I know comparing Sony to Amazon is like comparing apples to oranges :) I know Sony is irrelevant to Amazon, I was just trying to be nice and inform people as they might want to consider changing their passwords as their information may have been compromised. I'm not debating IT issues and DDOS attacks in this thread as people are trying to draw me into that it seems. That's not what the purpose of this thread is and I've already said my piece.

What we need is laws to regulate this kind of virtual crime. I'm quite sure it's easy for government agencies to track down the perpetrators, but then what? What kind of laws could be used against their crimes done in a virtual field? I'm not talking about anything like SOPA, but something on the lines of "if you steal money on the internet you answer for it like you've stolen money in the real world". It's simple. But try to do something like that and all the Anon kiddies will rally and use their haxxor powers to sabotage any atempt. They're not fighting for freedom when they use their skills to censor anybody who talk against them or have different point of views.

On a side note, according to this article from Bussiness Inside (http://www.businessinsider.com/why-h...etwork-2014-12), seems like SoE did indeed upgrade their security. But I think any company can protect themselves just so much against people that fear no punishment... simply because none will come. In fact, they only get rewards, vide what megaupload's owner did.

And they'e doing "for the lulz". Seriously.

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Originally Posted by Its_Elodie

I was just trying to be nice and inform people as they might want to consider changing their passwords as their information may have been compromised.

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Then word your post properly. The way you worded it implies otherwise - contradictory to what you've just said. The subject of the DDoS attacks are relevant to this topic as it is the cause of the downtime which is what the topic is about. So, I suggest you don't point fingers at anyone. One cannot simply fix hacking by upgrading their security and servers, nor can they prepare for new attacks. It only serves to slow them down. These attacks are ever-evolving, and likely not going to be easily resolved with a simple flick of the wrist, I'm afraid. :/

Since SE and Sony insist on our end being secure why not do the same on their end. just initiate the same protocol as the banks, (https) or encrypted email protocol. We are talking about financial transactions as we are paying subscription fees for both services. This way they could filter out erroneous isp and ip addresses and allow the legit customers in the door. Would not stop a Ddos attack but would help them shut it down faster and more efficiently. Also would make them accountable to services with minimal financial impact on them. win/win

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Originally Posted by AdamFyi

I'm pretty sure that if Amazon was hit, Sony would probably be likely unable to prevent it either. Same goes for Microsoft and other big companies. You can't prevent DDoS attacks, nor can you prepare for them either. Unless you know the exact amount that they are planning to use, it's probably almost impossible to prevent (because of the ever-expanding methods of DDoSing). Fixing the issue isn't going to be easy either and may take a long time since they have to filter the IPs bombarding the servers with endless queries and requests.

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You can't prevent DDoS attacks but LizardSquad said in last septembre that their next attack will be for Christmas. They knew an attack was coming. They basically did nothing to prevent it.

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Originally Posted by Ahnthistik

You can't prevent DDoS attacks but LizardSquad said in last septembre that their next attack will be for Christmas. They knew an attack was coming. They basically did nothing to prevent it.

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Is there something that could be done? Not being sarcastic. I'm serious. How do you prevent a DDOS attack, even if you know it's coming?

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Originally Posted by Naberrie

Is there something that could be done? Not being sarcastic. I'm serious. How do you prevent a DDOS attack, even if you know it's coming?

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Up the bandswitch? Hire better programers? It's basically what LizardSquad said "your networks suck, and we'll prove it". They told that back in september, planning their attack for Christmas, and guess what now?

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Originally Posted by Naberrie

Is there something that could be done? Not being sarcastic. I'm serious. How do you prevent a DDOS attack, even if you know it's coming?

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Use Secure authentication Protocals
Since SE and Sony insist on our end being secure why not do the same on their end. just initiate the same protocol as the banks, (https) or encrypted email protocol. We are talking about financial transactions as we are paying subscription fees for both services. This way they could filter out erroneous isp and ip addresses and allow the legit customers in the door. Would not stop a Ddos attack but would help them shut it down faster and more efficiently. Also would make them accountable to services with minimal financial impact on them. win/win

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Originally Posted by Ahnthistik

Up the bandswitch?

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Does that actually work, or is that just a guess? Is there some absolute way to guarantee you will not be the victim of a DDOS attack?

There's always escalation. Cops carry guns, the crooks carry guns. Copy wear bulletproof vest, the crooks use armor piercing rounds. Every means of protection just ups the game on the other end.

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Originally Posted by Ahnthistik

Up the bandswitch? Hire better programers? It's basically what LizardSquad said "your networks suck, and we'll prove it". They told that back in september, planning their attack for Christmas, and guess what now?

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Sorry but these groups are nothing more than the hacker with Hero Syndrome. The fact is if they didn't DDoS attack then the servers wouldn't be down.

So supposedly PSN is back up. I live here in California and Iam wondering why in the world its STILL not working for me.... Anyone else still experiencing this???

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Originally Posted by Zepheron

Use Secure authentication Protocals
Since SE and Sony insist on our end being secure why not do the same on their end. just initiate the same protocol as the banks, (https) or encrypted email protocol. We are talking about financial transactions as we are paying subscription fees for both services...

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Doesn't work in a latency-sensitive service such as PSN. Sorry, there is pretty much nothing that can be done besides spending millions on a service that explicitly deals with DDOS attacks (Sony did that, the attack was just exponentially larger than anticipated, and could be one of the largest attacks ever perpetrated). Even if that's done successfully, you simply start attacking ISP and server infrastructure that leads TO the servers you want to DDOS.

I understand everyone wanting to place blame here, but it should be placed squarely on those who started the DDOS attack. There is only so much that can be done to curb an attack of this magnitude.

Supposedly they are only allowing so many people in at a time. Not working for me either. I either get Connection Timed Out, or Lost Connection to Server. And that's just trying to sign in to PSN.

PSN is not a singular entity, its actually composed of many different servers across the world. Its most likely that the local server that you use to connect to the main body of PSN is down, being repaired or having its database rebuilt. This is why things can be so spotty, and why some people can connect and others can't.

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Originally Posted by BigBossCL

PSN is not a singular entity, its actually composed of many different servers across the world. Its most likely that the local server that you use to connect to the main body of PSN is down, being repaired or having its database rebuilt. This is why things can be so spotty, and why some people can connect and others can't.

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Thanks so much for the info!

I'm so behind now, its going to be a long day when psn is up. >.<

I just got in on PS4, even though PS Knowledge Center still says PS4 is down.

Like the above poster, I'm also in California.

Another fun fact, back in November, some Hong Kong websites were the target of a large-scale DDOS attack.

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“We’re seeing over 250 million DNS requests per second, which is probably on par with the total DNS requests for the entire Internet in a normal second,”

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The attack on XBL and PSN was bigger. Let that sink in for a second.

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Originally Posted by AdamFyi

The subject of the DDoS attacks are relevant to this topic as it is the cause of the downtime which is what the topic is about. So, I suggest you don't point fingers at anyone.

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Debating how or if its possible to prevent them isn't though...unless I misread the wording of the title of this thread? The only person who has an issue with me here is you. I'm not looking to argue with anyone :/ Arguing doesn't solve anything, its not constructive, and it doesn't make me feel better either. I wish I could say the same for everyone else, though. You have a nice day :D

Also, I've yet to try logging on since people are saying its coming up again. The psn down time thing is usually late to update though. Hopefully its happy gaming from here on out, peeps!