Attention Overgeared DPS in AK

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Originally Posted by HumsterMKX

and don't BREAK no matter what.

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I guess that's exactly what I did; broke. I didn't rage though, for what its worth. (at least not in game xD) Its just hard to keep on when you're on a totally different wave length with a group of strangers with totally different play styles.

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Originally Posted by ashikenshin

make friends with people in your FC/server/ls? I got so fed up with randoms during AK that I refused to play with any tank except my brother (i still do but to a lesser extent) and just having one friend in the run can make it worthwhile.

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Ah I normally do run with at least one friend from my ls or fc, but unfortunately we aren't that big and we're spread out across timezones so people aren't always on, or if they are only a handful are up to AK at this point. Its crazy how its sooo much less stressful when you're running with at least one friend than with all strangers. You're still doing the exact same thing (most of the time), but for me I feel there is zero room for error on my part when I play in a pug or df group.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

I guess that's exactly what I did; broke. I didn't rage though, for what its worth. (at least not in game xD) Its just hard to keep on when you're on a totally different wave length with a group of strangers with totally different play styles.

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make friends with people in your FC/server/ls? I got so fed up with randoms during AK that I refused to play with any tank except my brother (i still do but to a lesser extent) and just having one friend in the run can make it worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

I didn't rage though, for what its worth.

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I wouldnt call group dropping after the first pull and immediately spewing butthurt over the forums anything but rage.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

If you want to go all out, fine, but do it on the marked mob, if not, you get to be the tank and I'll leave. I'm not there to play a game of trash mob ping-pong with you, especially when you've apparently ran it enough to know better. :D

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Im a over geared BLM with Relic +1 and if i pull aggro on any mob and run the mob back to you and stop dps and your unable to get aggro back you need to learn how to tank

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Originally Posted by Amyas

How is it quicker to chaotically burn down three mobs at the same time very slowly with the tank running around trying to reestablish hate rather than just burning em down one at a time almost instantly?

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Because every class does more AoE damage than single-target?

What everyone should know.

As a tank I don't care if you steal aggro from me. I consider it a fail on my part other than if you attack before I do, then that on you.

If you want me to get the add off of you, you need to run to me not run away from me or in circles lol.

I have this fancy move called cover, you know to stop you from taking damage?

Anyway its a team effort. If your group wants to AoE spam, SAY IT IN CHAT! Atleast then everyone is on the same page.

Unfortunately some people just don't work well together.

I'm not saying there aren't bad players, I've seen plenty of them. But it is also completely possible for 4 equally skilled/geared players to get paired together, and their party fail.

The group I run AK with regularly we don't even mark mobs anymore, they know I can hold the threat (or get it back quickly if I lose it), and I know they won't die if they pull threat for a second. Infact, the dps is usually intentionally attacking the wrong thing, and I'm usually provoking him to pull threat off me.

That being said there are times I've got into pugs where we never make it past demon wall. It might be a clash in personalities, it might be that the other people are so used to doing something specific that it doesn't go with your normal flow.

An AK run I was in recently had a dps that was AoEing and pulling. Now, I would have been fine with him AoEing, but pulling just added a level of frustration to regaining threat on the targets that was not welcomed from some random person I didn't know. When I asked him if he could hold off a second and just attack 1 for a few seconds before aoing, he said no, claimed to be a PLD on turn 5 and said he "expected more" from his tanks. Hah, now like I said, I doubt comments like that from a stranger would be welcomed by anyone. I'm not saying he was a bad player, me and him simply didn't work together, to paraphrase my favorite anime:

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A good person is only good while they're being good for you. And I don't think there is any one person who is good for everyone.

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The point is, it's a team game, and whether a run goes smoothly is entirely dependent on if you are working together.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

If you want to go all out, fine, but do it on the marked mob, if not, you get to be the tank and I'll leave. I'm not there to play a game of trash mob ping-pong with you, especially when you've apparently ran it enough to know better. :D

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the players you are refering to dont care about this while playing the game yet you really think they care about this while not playing the game and will actually read this?

lol?

whenever you choose to play a game with RANDOM STRANGERS, you really only have two choices - adapt or get upset when things dont go your way

personally, i have ALOT more fun when i adapt

ymmv

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Hope it was worth it to them for waiting on a new tank and the possible requeueing just for the instance though.



lol, no. I mark one, flash, +enmity combo on mark, flash or overpower if necessary while tabbing through to check on the parties hate and using +enmity combo accordingly. Are you the type of dd that ignores marks and goes all out on w/e because why not? Hope you like waiting.

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I, as a healer, would rather wait for a tank that isn't a snobby whiner when he loses aggro on trash mobs.
It makes absolutely no difference to me whether a dps tanks a mob or not. The only one who really should care about it is the healer, he's the one keeping the dps alive, so it directly affects me.

Yes, it was worth the wait, and I am 100% sure a lot of healers besides me would say the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Soulburn32

What everyone should know.

As a tank I don't care if you steal aggro from me. I consider it a fail on my part other than if you attack before I do, then that on you.

If you want me to get the add off of you, you need to run to me not run away from me or in circles lol.

I have this fancy move called cover, you know to stop you from taking damage?

Anyway its a team effort. If your group wants to AoE spam, SAY IT IN CHAT! Atleast then everyone is on the same page.

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THIS is my kinda tank I wanna run with.

Also, in the case a Bard happens to pull aggro off of you and begins tanking, if they're worth anything they'd end up taking little to no damage anyways, and would most likely kill their target solo before the other two killed the main target.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Oh lol, get that rage up. I didn't say anything past the initial 'hello', until before I left. You wanna know what the last two things I said were? (Focus target) then about ten seconds later, 'Or not...' *leave duty*

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I'm raging? since when? Because I don't have the patience for whiny tanks who spend more time whining about who's tanking what than actually tanking mobs? I couldn't care less if you leave. Don't even begin to think the whole run revolves around you. The only angry, raging one here is you, sir. Also, I never said YOU personally was a snobby whiner, you just ASSUMED I was... but if the shoe fit...

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Originally Posted by Vod

If the dps insists on tanking trash, let them do it. Bust out sword oath to make the run faster, and see how long it takes when people die and have to run back.

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No disrespect to you sir, I have ran with tanks who fulltimed Sword oath throughout AK, and I didn't even realise it til after the demon wall. That's how little a difference it really makes, to me anyways. People spend way too much time worrying about minor things. All I care about is the tank holding aggro on a BOSS, and if they can keep it ( and trash) off ME. I don't care if the other DPS tanks.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Nice nitpicking you did thar. Reading is hard for some people I guess :x

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Also, all you have done is insult and bash anyone who disagrees with you. Get over yourself.

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Originally Posted by Ceelo_Mage

Im a over geared BLM with Relic +1 and if i pull aggro on any mob and run the mob back to you and stop dps and your unable to get aggro back you need to learn how to tank

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See, this isn't want this thread is about. These players are doing the exact opposite of what you say, pulling off an mob I didn't mark (I use, and only should have to use, the 1 mark) and running it away from me, trying to kite it while trying to kill it at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Chiruru53

I, as a healer, would rather wait for a tank that isn't a snobby whiner when he loses aggro on trash mobs.
It makes absolutely no difference to me whether a dps tanks a mob or not. The only one who really should care about it is the healer, he's the one keeping the dps alive, so it directly affects me.

Yes, it was worth the wait, and I am 100% sure a lot of healers besides me would say the same thing.

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I didn't say anything past the initial 'hello', until before I left. You wanna know what the last two things I said were? (Focus target) then about ten seconds later, 'Or not...' *leaves duty* Nice of you to assume I was a snobby whiner though.

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Originally Posted by Youmu

I wouldnt call group dropping after the first pull and immediately spewing butthurt over the forums anything but rage.

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Oh I gave them the benefit of the doubt for quite a few pulls. Until the third set of fanatics at the first boss and the summoner whipped out the voidwalker (I stunned it, too, btw, can only do it once with War) yet again and the blackmage and monk decided to tank two different adds even with me saying 'focus target' in auto translate in case they didn't understand. I like how you conveniently left out my saying (in game anyway xD) in your quote just to make your statement sound... 'better'?