That is their niche that I was talking about. AOE tanking. The reason I said the devs haven't filled this niche for Warriors is because AOE tanking is almost never required. We need more instances where there's 5-10 enemies where a Paladin would have trouble holding them all but a Warrior would shine like a beacon of light. There's nothing wrong with being the AOE tank so long as you actually have something to tank, but SE has neglected this and made all Warriors feel terrible about the class they picked, which sucks. I know how that goes, I was a Paladin in WoW 1.0, we were literally only there to cleanse and out-of-combat res people. It felt awful. Hopefully, like in that game, SE will make Warriors great in this one, be it by changing how they tank or changing what is required for dungeons.Quote:
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STOP JOINING HM TITAN WITH CRAP GEAR!!!
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09-20-2013, 06:28 AMXbob42
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09-20-2013, 06:36 AMIskander
I do agree with the OP that your gear should be checked before going into HM Titan and Beyond. That fight is no joke and no one wants to be wasting runs just to build up their repair bill. Entering with horrible gear is only asking for trouble.
That being said, its on a case by case basis. I was in a group that beat Titan while I was wearing 2 storm sergeant accessories, the wizard coat and pants....the rest were AK greens and DL items. Now let the flames and shooting begin as I have probably just started trouble. -
09-20-2013, 06:44 AMHachikoI know you're on my side so to speak, but that's not a very good niche, to be quite honest. It would make every encounter literally the same in order for a WAR to be useful. You will have WAR required on maybe 1-2 fights per tier of content, and 1-2 PLD required on every fight.Quote:
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PLD Niche = High damage off tank and Main Tank.
WAR Niche = Overpower spam on bosses that have more than 3 adds which must be tanked and are immune to sleep.
For one thing, I rolled my WAR to do more than spam overpower. For two it would severely limit what they could do (i.e. such design would be impossible on Turn 1 and 5).
You hear PLD's complaining all the time about being interrupt bots on Ifrit. Well, running around spamming the same skill all fight is boring. If that's all WAR did that would be akin to if PLD's couldn't tank half as well and they were only useful for interrupts. PLD's would be rioting, yet they would still be in a better position than WAR are in now because at least there's one encounter where interrupting matters, and at least their damage while off tanking is better than a WAR's.
Perhaps I just need to vent, but if WAR niche is going to be AOE tanking we need more than just Overpower (and Flash, and maybe steel cyclone... ugh) to do it. No matter what, WAR needs a bit of a re-work. -
09-20-2013, 06:50 AMHarmonium
Do you think we will get a update soon or something ? Because i still stuck on titan, every group don't want me.
Looking for a tank, hey i am warrior, no thanks sorry.
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09-20-2013, 07:20 AMPellegriMy fc has done it with a warrior several times.....got a lot of trigger happy dps out there though in pugs that can't handle waiting more than 5secs to start dpsing.Quote:
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09-20-2013, 07:42 AMWarlyx
u can kill it with a war , is harder? yes no doubt , after hearth is broken the chance of warrior dying is higher than if pld was tanking.
my advice : go as DPS , or go with 3 healers (2whm 1 sch) no other options if u are a warrior. -
09-20-2013, 07:50 AMHarmonium
I go as dps, but the party after the heart seem realy chaotic... bomb everywhere, aoe on the ground everywhere, everyone die everytime...
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09-20-2013, 09:13 AMMrSmiley
Op is correct and I would like to point out he says any combination of darklight and AK gear, which is perfectly reasonable (hes not saying full DL)
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09-20-2013, 09:18 AMPurutzil
Tank maybe... but yeah... people who do the 'Gear > Skill' really make me shake my head.
The biggest effect on your out put is Weapon. As a healer testing Mnd, I found that 20 Mnd gave me ~30 healing more on my ability. 30 isnt MUCH at all. Given the gear difference (lets say af -> Darklight) you might see that ~20 stat difference, if that. It has some effect but the effect is minimal.
Rather then complain about Crap gear, why not complain about Crap SKILL? Skill you will find does far more to dps/healing then anything else. As far as tanks go... yes... unfortunately gear DOES play a larger roll for them.
Guess who went into Titan HM with NO experience, wearing AK stuff and Garuda weapon and got bitched out for joining on gear, then SOLO HEALED half the fight and had to spam rez the 'geared' healer WHM? Yeah... the person who never did titan HM and who wasnt' 'geared' enough. -
09-20-2013, 09:26 AMKogaDrake
The reason we say you need XX gear for titan isnt the DPS output or healing output, its more due to the HP that is needed to survive in the fight, and the lower geared you are the longer it is and the more HP you need.
Many people are not perfect in their dodges, and if stomps get to many you just can not take the damage (even with 3 healers) if your not geared well enough. I did the mostly AK and few DL and lag killed me way to much, doing mostly DL and some AK allowed me to survive if i messed up once and had been healed, and this slight bit of forgiveness is that is needed to win this without a set group (or just getting lucky on that wahtever number try the group kills it on). So do yourself, and your group, a favor and get the gear and then do titan. I know you want your relic, but if your not FULL DL, there is nothign for you after titan that needs that relic, so get the gear then do titan.