"Fix" Speed Runs? How about fixing the real issue?

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

I agree, I wish dungeons were unique and fun like FFXI dungeons and not generic trash - > boss - > loot. Kind of sad they went that direction.

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Finally, someone is starting to see where the true problem lies. Many of you are so set on defending this painfully generic setup with absolutely no room for improvement or uniqueness. No one is asking high level gear to be handed to them on a silver platter. What we are asking for is to put more purpose into the dungeons.

The first monthly payment can't come fast enough. Hopefully it will weed out most of these "I want everything fast and now" people.
I'm sure SE loves putting time into dungeons for people to speed run them in 15-20 mins. Yes, 15-20... that's how fast some people
on my server were doing Amdapor Keep. Most of them had no idea there were even coffers in the dungeon between the entrance
and first boss... -_-

You want fast, easy, epic loot every 5 minutes, ways to make mega fast cash in little time? Go to WoW. Their arms are wide open.

We won't miss you, I promise.

I dont see why this is such a big issue now when they been doing it since 1.0 in AV and other 1.0 dungeons. people just need to stop being the game police and find a group that wants to run they way that you want to run. But i guess cry babies get want they want...

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Originally Posted by Kletian

There's already Trash loot, it's called the coffers that give you allagan pieces and Aetherial loot.

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Get to 50 and you'll see. In AK you get a few allagan BRONZE pieces, the same ones you get at level 20, and you get random green loot. Greens that usually no one needs if they have been farming for any amount of time and greens that you can't break in materia. Instead you can turn them in for seals that @50 you don't need for anything other then crafting/gathering scrolls or barding if you care about that.

This so called "trash loot" from the coffers you describe is good for people leveling in the 20-30 range but not for 50's. The allagan pieces should be at least gold and there should more of them in the instance

Sorry to hear that, sounds like at least the allagan pieces should update. I can get silvers from level 30 quests after all.

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Originally Posted by Boyahd

Vindictus, Mabinogi, EQOA, EQ2, Aion, Allods, GW2 and the list goes on.

It's not that you're struggling to think of a game, it's just that you don't give a rat's ass. It's an archaic system that many MMOs are starting to move away from. Stop defending bullshit with more bullshit.

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And here i need to say, that in fact, all the above listed games but Mabinogi are complete trash.
Not to mention, all they do is baby care.

Go to the dungeon, beat the minions, get to the boss, get the reward. That is the way things are, if you don`t like it, you can also go and keep playing Grind Wars 2.

Eh, the bronze pieces are fine, ive been making more in allagan pieces than the repair costs easily, Im up almost 4900 today with a little over 2k for repair costs gone

They didn't nerf repair bills at all. It now costs even more to run AK because you beat the crap out of your gear clearing all the trash. SE logic. Introduce dailies or something to go along with your repair cost "nerf"..........

I think what all of them are asking for is some sort of "leg odometer" in the dungeons. As you walk, you are awarded gil! So if you wipe your party on the trash mobs that you always ran past, but now have to fight them, you can just run in circles until your gil counter has enough to cover your repairs. That would make all of you happy, right? why should you have to run from the entrance to the first boss without being paid?

The hardcore players are the ones that do it for the challenge without complaint. All I hear is a bunch of casuals whining about trash monsters not being profitable.