If you are a [JOB] without [Ability], you are holding back your team at endgame

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Originally Posted by Blindfate

I find little reason to have Eye for an Eye as a WHM. Swiftcast is enough.

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Eye for an eye is garbage. A woefully underpowered ability that (even WITH trait backup) has a horribly long recast timer.

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Originally Posted by Thotor

BRD need to get DRG to 34 for Blood for Blood
SCH, SMN and WHM need to get THM to 26 for Swift cast.
WAR need to get GLD to 22 for Provoke

If you do not have those, then you do NOT have finished leveling your character. While it does not matter for AK, it is mandatory for every 8 man content.

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This ^

As a SMN i find myself Swiftcasting Raise a lot on titan to help the healers since they are busy keeping everyone alive. In the 8man content anything you think that might give you an edge you need to take as plain as simple as that.

It's funny reading this thread and the other thread about making gil. On one hand you have people saying that they should not be forced to do content they don't want to do (i.e crafting) but turn around and demanded people to level other jobs/classes just to pickup some skills. Bottom line if you are picky about these things group with your own kind and don't use DF.

If it can be completed without the extra cross-class ability, then you don't need it. Are they useful? Yeah, but at the same time if the content can be done without it, then it's not needed (as need implies the content can't be done without the ability).

I'll get Swiftcast for my WHM, and other abilities for my other classes/jobs, because I like to try getting all the tools I can. But if I'm DFing a dungeon, then I don't feel like I must have that ability or I'm holding back the group. After all, if the group had these rules, they should've found someone who agreed with them and gone in as a pre-made group with everybody on the same page. If they don't do that, not my problem (if they make it my problem, I'll just heal some different group).

I do agree it's useful, but I don't hold to the idea that these abilities are absolutely necessary to have. But as someone who has plans to level everything on two characters... it doesn't really matter in the end. :I

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Originally Posted by e90guy

It's funny reading this thread and the other thread about making gil. On one hand you have people saying that they should not be forced to do content they don't want to do (i.e crafting) but turn around and demanded people to level other jobs/classes just to pickup some skills. Bottom line if you are picky about these things group with your own kind and don't use DF.

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People are entitled hipocrytes, nothing surprising there.

No gil at 50! -> go use a doh to make tons of money :D -> No i don't want to i shouldn't be forced to do something i don't like!

Go get and level up something you absolutely despise cuz i say so! -> No cuz i wanna play what i find fun not be forced to do stuff -> lol nope you littleshit do it or ur noobinferioruseless.

Seriously disgusting lol.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

With FATE grinding you can get to 26 in a day.

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Fate grinding is an abysmal abomination. I did it to get arc to 15 and was ready to quit by 10.

It's as bad as XI's abyssea worm parties.

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Originally Posted by Skarith

I hear alot of people complaining when I'm playing scholar that I'm not using stoneskin. It's a level 34 conj ability, and we always have a white mage in raid so honestly it's pointless from a raiding perspective. That being said I do want to level swiftcast from THM for my summoner

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Doest the sch cure ability give a stoneskin effect anyway?

I say let people play the way they want. This is a GAME. Not a job. Seeing all these cross class requirement listings, is like looking at a damn resume. I totally understand and agree that certain cross class abilities come in handy for end game content, and as a BRD I will be pursuing my last cross class ability (B for B), but what I do not see the point in doing, is forcing others to play by your standards. Will I blame a WHM or SMN for not having Swiftcast? No, because at the end of the day it's their choice how they play their job not mine.

If you want to only group with people who have all these nifty cross class abilities, then do so. Because like everyone else, you have a choice to do whatever it is you want. Just try to be patient with the rest of the playerbase, and I don't know, show some humility and offer some help with useful information instead of bashing someone for not doing what YOU want them to do, and see if that doesn't change the game environment for you.

as a WHM I found it funny when someone yells "OMG you dont have swiftcast?, swifcast is a must!!!" and minutes before that person was just eating AOE's and such + dying to easy mechanics.

Swifcast is highly recommended to have as it can do things way more easier if someone makes a mistake... but its not a must.

First the job class, then there was the HP, then the weapon, now the gearscore...

It really is starting to become a resume. Next will be "Must have 3-5 Titan wins of experience."