Yoshi-p says: "Button pressing is stressful." ....

I don't know why you are so stuck on the fact that 1.0 had a poor minigame, therefore 2.0 should have NO minigame. Hell, FFXI handled fishing pretty well, it had all of the rod/bait/location/weather stuff that yoshi is talking about having in ARR, AND YOU ACTUALLY FOUGHT THE FISH TO BRING IT IN. You had to tip your rod the opposite direction from how it was pulling, and bigger stronger fish actually put up more of a fight and required better reflexes to bring in. Why cant ARR have that? Why does yoshi insist on making it sound like you will perform no actions, and it will all be about how you set yourself up? Why does he sound like he wants there to be no level of interaction from the player after they push "fish"? Why is this class designed just for personal achievement, don't all classes have some level of personal achievement? Did you not feel fulfilled when you completed that relic? Or crafted that item? IS GEARING UP EVERY OTHER CLASS, AND PERFORMING YOUR JOB WELL, AND REAPING THE REWARDS NOT A PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENT TOO? Then why is there a class with no other goals aside from that, which sounds like you do not even have to put in the same level of effort that you do for all those other personal achievements?

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Originally Posted by Rylock

Hell, FFXI handled fishing pretty well, it had all of the rod/bait/location/weather stuff that yoshi is talking about having in ARR, AND YOU ACTUALLY FOUGHT THE FISH TO BRING IT IN. You had to tip your rod the opposite direction from how it was pulling, and bigger stronger fish actually put up more of a fight and required better reflexes to bring in.

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I disagree that FFXI was any better than 1.0. It wasn't as exciting as you're making it out - when the game told you to push the stick/key, you did. If the fish was low enough level in comparison, you caught it. Yeah, bigger fish took longer to drag in, but essentially your stats determined whether you caught it, not reflexes. The only way you could fail was if you weren't watching the screen.

I would prefer a good minigame over a poor minigame (duh), but I'd also prefer no minigame over a poor minigame, if Yoshi has decided they don't currently have the resources to develop something new.

I don't think it's about resources, MJ. Because creating this whole knew fishing system is probably eating a lot of resources.

I think it's clear that the whole minigame for gathering is out the door as a rule. The only "Minigame" that still exists is for Crafting.

You throw your rod out there with a cast according to your fish catching medium (lol can't limit it to water type) or your bait... there's a command to "stop fishing" just like before. There's a unknown area of course when it comes to abilities and how you will use them. But this idea that you'll cast... and then wander off while your character autofishes is just kinda silly. Of course, you'll have to do something to catch fish even if it's as simple as Botany or miner where you use a skill to increase the likelihood of catching something or narrowing your options as to what you get.

I'm more concerned with this little chestnut of a quote:

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We’re going to make sure that the stuff you get from fishing is not stuff that is going to be lucrative for RMT.

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Giant middle finger to anyone who put in the hours to get level 50 fisher. Even back then you could make a decent penny selling fish.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

I think it's clear that the whole minigame for gathering is out the door as a rule. The only "Minigame" that still exists is for Crafting.

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Which I find extremely depressing, as it means you are only as good as your gear. What they had in 1.0 was simple, but at least the player was responsible for their success or failure even if that responsibility was just to push a button at the right time. I would have preferred to see an expansion on those concepts rather than a rejection of them.

I think the main issue that most people are scratching at is that what is the point of achievements when it takes no player skill, outside of what gear/time it is?

In 1.0, while there was some random losses and other things, if I took too long to act or if I jigged in the wrong spot I would lose the fish because of my wrong input.
The way 2.0 version sounds like with no player input achievements won't feel like anything but a time sink. "I stood here for 4 hours with the right gear and eventually caught the rare fish I wanted."
I want player skill to actually have something to do with my catches, not luck based on how long you stand somewhere. Not saying 1.0 was great, but at least it made me feel like I acted at the right times and jigged in the right places to catch this fish!

I just can't comprehend why fishing needs to be the class that needs no player skill or the class you play that you can benefit from while you go AFK, or "chat".
Make a sitting class for that, don't destroy an already established class.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

I don't think it's about resources, MJ. Because creating this whole knew fishing system is probably eating a lot of resources.

I think it's clear that the whole minigame for gathering is out the door as a rule. The only "Minigame" that still exists is for Crafting.

You throw your rod out there with a cast according to your fish catching medium (lol can't limit it to water type) or your bait... there's a command to "stop fishing" just like before. There's a unknown area of course when it comes to abilities and how you will use them. But this idea that you'll cast... and then wander off while your character autofishes is just kinda silly. Of course, you'll have to do something to catch fish even if it's as simple as Botany or miner where you use a skill to increase the likelihood of catching something or narrowing your options as to what you get.

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Unless Yoshi changes his mind about it, which I can't see happening, it's already been made clear that fishing will have no actions or skills. So yes, so far it seems to be that we will just autofish. There won't be skills that change your chances at catching something. No abilities.

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Originally Posted by UmJammerSully

I'm more concerned with this little chestnut of a quote:



Giant middle finger to anyone who put in the hours to get level 50 fisher. Even back then you could make a decent penny selling fish.

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You will still make gil using fisher. You just won't be able to make a profit selling gil using fisher.

Not sure why this is a bad thing for fishers.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

You will still make gil using fisher. You just won't be able to make a profit selling gil using fisher.

Not sure why this is a bad thing for fishers.

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Because of how easy fishing seems to be, it'll be easy to bot as well. That means that whatever small corner of the market fishers could control will instead be controlled by the bots.

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Originally Posted by Huh

There was definitely time to reply between casts, I never had a problem chatting. If it was a long message I'd type it in between casts, if it was a quick reply I'd do it quickly between jigs.

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There was time for quick replies but not conversations. My favorite part of fishing is using it as social time in game and still doing a little something at the same time. I like having a rotation of areas to fish in etc. I'm really interested to see what Yoshi-p plans to unfold.