FFXIV Bahamut vs. WoW Deathwing - Who Wins?

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Originally Posted by fusional

one (other) sensible voice amidst the cacophony of yes-men, at least

i've never disagreed that "bahamut would win" or whatever the popular sentiment is around here, i've just challenged some of the logic behind it. (ie: both dragons actually failed to destroy the world, being around longer doesn't make you more powerful, etc)

though i do find it strange that, in spite of essentially making the same point as me, people aren't falling all over themselves to flail at you about it.

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Well, you have more of a "negative" reputation on these boards, so it's pretty easy to see why you get a ton of flack for the stuff you say. I'm stepping my way up though!

Most people just see Bahamut in the End of an Era trailer and say "WOW COOL!", totally forgetting that someone shut him in that prison to begin with, so there's already someone/something more powerful than him. He's not unstoppable, seeing as someone stopped him previously.

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Originally Posted by Destain

Everyone calm down! Let's get to a real battle!

Bahamut vs. Goku vs. Deathwing vs. Superman vs. The Dragon Zord vs. Doctor Who vs. Kratos vs. Master Chief vs. The Death Star vs. Hulk vs. Enterprise NCC-1701D

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Pfft, Thancred would murder them all. So really it doesn't matter, does it? :P

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Well, you have more of a "negative" reputation on these boards, so it's pretty easy to see why you get a ton of flack for the stuff you say. I'm stepping my way up though!

Most people just see Bahamut in the End of an Era trailer and say "WOW COOL!", totally forgetting that someone shut him in that prison to begin with, so there's already someone/something more powerful than him. He's not unstoppable, seeing as someone stopped him previously.

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The method of Bahamut's imprisonment doesn't imply that its jailer was more powerful than him. Wasn't it theorized that the Allagans faced him? As far as we know, their civilization didn't survive the ordeal.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

The method of Bahamut's imprisonment doesn't imply that its jailer was more powerful than him. Wasn't it theorized that the Allagans faced him? As far as we know, their civilization didn't survive the ordeal.

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Thank you..
lol..

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Well, Bahamut didn't "destroy" Eorzea either, unless you consider slightly altering stuff to be destroyed. Deathwing did the exact same thing.

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If a Meteor hit the planet, covering the entire earth in flames and extinguishing most life.. I think most consider that "destroying the planet"
Semantics..lol..

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Pfft, Thancred would murder them all. So really it doesn't matter, does it? :P

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Even against great hair & JRPG pretty boy good looks, The Doctor wins. After 35 years worth of him winning with only his razor sharp wit, a few cheeky quips and a sonic screwdriver, you would think people would know this....

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Originally Posted by Solace

If a Meteor hit the planet, covering the entire earth in flames and extinguishing most life.. I think most consider that "destroying the planet"
Semantics..lol..

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If the "meteor" would have hit Eorzea in it's whole form, then I agree that most likely would have destroyed most of the world. But it didn't. It exploded and the shards went everywhere. The big blast at the end was Bahamut's Terraflare, not the "meteor" hitting.

So no the world was not destroyed, Eorzea wasn't even destroyed. Changed & essentially terraformed in some places? Yes. Destroyed? No.

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Originally Posted by Endu

If the "meteor" would have hit Eorzea in it's whole form, then I agree that most likely would have destroyed most of the world. But it didn't. It exploded and the shards went everywhere. The big blast at the end was Bahamut's Terraflare, not the "meteor" hitting.

So no the world was not destroyed, Eorzea wasn't even destroyed. Changed & essentially terraformed in some places? Yes. Destroyed? No.

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I never said it was the meteor...
I was just giving what I thought, was an easy to understand example..lol..

Point being mega flare from what I assumed, did cover the planet in flame.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

To be fair to Sailormut. he does get many incarnations throughout the universe, and seems to up in strength and power every time. Yesterday's Teraflare is tommorrow's Megaflare and next week's warning shot.

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Wonderfully put. He also seems to get progressively more hateful towards humans. We don't know exactly why he was in the Wonderball, but I can bet he feels more than FFXI Bahamut's scornful disgust or FFXIII-2 Bahamut's mind-controlled rampage. And he was so nice in FF1, too ; ;

It's weird how bent out of shape some people are getting over a completely hypothetical topic. It's rather sad how a few are taking such a condescending tone with others about it (well, it's par for the course with one person, so not surprising there; I'll let others guess who).

I'll add this...

Part of the issue people seem to be dealing with is each one's personal definition of "destroying the world". So, I won't even go there. I'll just speak to the overall amount of destruction each creates, and the fallout from it.

In Deathwing's case, he messed some places up, while entire other regions are left untouched. So his swath of destruction was very much limited to only certain parts of Azeroth. Further, cities are left standing in each case with only some damage done. All in all, the impression I had (even at Cata's launch, well before anything to do with XIV or Bahamut), was that he was a pissed off dragon going on a temper tantrum.

It's accurate to say that in the 2.5 years or so that he was freed, he failed to destroy the world. The worst of his destruction was inflicted when he first emerged.

On the other hand, Bahamut manages to change the face of pretty much all of Eorzea within minutes of emerging, changing entire climates in some cases from what we've seen. And I don't mean "making a long trench here, or a large crater there", I mean rendering the world pretty much unrecognizable to anyone who saw it during 1.0. Outside of the cities (which seemed to have been mostly spared, just like in WoW).

That said, we don't know how much impact his attacks had on the cities themselves. While none may have suffered a direct hit (which remains to be seen), that's not to say the fallout couldn't have been equally devastating - choking smoke and ash and debris, etc...

And then there's the matter of the folks in XIV having to be actually teleported away to safety, or face certain annihilation. We don't know if that was everyone on Eorzea, or just those immediately within and around the cities. That remains to be seen... and perhaps something in ARR will explain all that.

I would have to say, with what we've seen of ARR (screenshots, videos, etc) and what we can see of Azeroth, and considering the effects each attack had on its respective world's population... I'd have to give it to Bahamut.

It seems pointless to talk about what happens to Bahamut after his attack, or his imprisonment in the labyrinth, because we don't know how he ultimately ends up there, yet. There's a lot of guessing and theory-crafting, but no one actually knows at this point (well, outside of SE anyway).

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Originally Posted by Solace

I never said it was the meteor...
I was just giving what I thought, was an easy to understand example..lol..

Point being mega flare from what I assumed, did cover the planet in flame.

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No it didn't...