SE Please implement a Chonoscroll/PLEX system in FFXIV: ARR

Im not saying I agree, as it violates the current EULA.
Furthermore, I would not be surprised if there are other unforeseen consequences.
That said... If you can convince them, more power to you. There really isn't anything further to argue here.

If TO ever PLAYED in EvE then he MUST have seen what troubles can bring PLEX like system.
Like i've seen so many threads about ppls sell Plex in trade contracts for (rough trivia) 400 mil credits.
Ok yeah fine you buy it for 400 mil credits !BUT! here's a huge CATCH! In trade contract can be traps like:
1st step - you buy plex
2nd step - you send your money AND plex you bought back to the man who selled it.
And here can be the end - you lost money AND plex you bought.

And about gil sellers... I'll never risk life of my account by buying money from poor korean childs who have no life... I prefer spent my time in game and, !yeah!, grinding money by myself...

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Originally Posted by Warlock

A rep needs to nuke this thread i doubt SE will adopt this system and dude STFU already you ain't convincing anyone

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Actually, you are wrong, as I had never heard of this system before this thread and I'm convinced it's an excellent idea. I do think it would be better if it was done as crysta rather than a scroll, since as others have pointed out, legacy members will have a lower price to pay for a monthly subscription.

As far as traps in trading goes, FFXIV has systems in place where you shouldn't have to worry too much about being jyped of your scroll from a trading scam. Just buy your scrolls from a person's bazaar or off the auction house.

At any rate, I agree that this would put a serious dent in RMT activity. Those with extra cash have their outlet for "buying gil", so to speak, without having to resort to middlemen using hacks and shady practices that harm other players directly and indirectly. (via NM stealing/farming profitable normal mob camps 24/7, npcing tons of items or doing repeatable leves for cash that causes inflation). Those with extra gil to burn can save RL money by buying said crysta for another month of game time. SE doesn't lose any money from subscriptions, as at the worst, some wealthier individuals pay for other people's subscriptions. More likely, there would even be a minor surplus of scrolls compared to buyers, which means they make a small revenue increase.

It would also stimulate the economy by encouraging cash flow from those who are super rich and tend to horde their gil, to those who are in desperate need of gil and are going to spend it all on goods and services.

As far as i can tell, it's an extremely well thought out system, and kudos to the original MMORPG that thought of it.

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Originally Posted by WHS

I make less then 30k a year income period. I can afford the sub fee but barely. I probably won't be in game grinding gil 24/7 either cause I have a job. That being said I don't fit into either model. But, I do understand what it feels like to have time to farm gil but no real money to pay a sub in game. I've seen companies reward people who play with game time in other games. Even though on the outside this seems like rmt concept it's not quite the same as the one introduced in ffxi. I found that rmt model to be so constricting on the economy I hated that game for money reasons alone. In game currency was too damn hard to make. I have no issues with this plan being implemented. It seems so different then me going to a website and buying gil. If you don't go with this model all you do is 1) lose the person who can't pay the sub fee. 2) leave all the elites to play with themselves 3) and still have a shit ton of rmt anyways maybe more cause they can do often control the gil. I've played lotro and wow and both don't seem to have any problems with rmt. Sure their gold is sold but I was able to keep my income up enough I never felt the need to buy any gold. Hell lotro even now is free and when I played it was pay monthly like wow and ffxi and this game. Now the worse rmt is turbine themselves lol. Oh well who the hell cares this won't screw a thing over and you people know it. Just stop bitching.

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Stop arguing with them. I had no idea models like this existed till I started Tera a few months ago. I have some friends who use this method to pay for their game. They don't have much money and basically play mmo's on a month to month basis. I don't have that problem and I'm 'almost' certain that everyone against this idea have no issue with the monthly fee as well. With all the Anti RMT methods SE used that hurt the player base, this one has the least amount of negatives. I don't know if people are deluded enough into thinking that there is a perfect solution. Low income people play?(check) Rich people give SE more money (check) Those in the middle *myself included* just continue to play. It's easy to convince yourself that other people have an advantage when you're the have not. I don't see myself getting salty just because a person's parents paid for their tuition when I had to work 2 jobs to pay for mine. Boo hoo for me. It is what it is, I worked hard, I made it, I take pride. This is all I see here. If people want to spend real money for fake money, let them. RMT has the potential to ruin the economy. Why not control the RMT to limit the damage. Have people pay for other people. I was honestly looking for a valid argument as to why it shouldn't be implemented. All I see is fear of the letters "RMT".

This sounds extremely RMT-y

NOTE: This post is entirely hypothetical- I do not condone, and I am not encouraging the acts in any way- It is merely to make a point.

These numbers are also entirely not to scale. Merely to be used as an example:

Scenario 1: Buyable, tradeable Crysta

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Player A has plenty of Dollars, and wishes to buy gil without getting banned, aka "legitimately".

Player A discovers that Crysta, currency only used in paying for subs, can be traded freely in game.

Player A buys up enough crysta for a year worth of subscriptions, and set the price for each crysta.

Player B considers the price for a subscription to be worth his time in farming gil, so he purchases the equivalent of one year worth of subscriptions.

Player A takes that gil and purchases goods and services to improve his standing in the game.

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Scenario 1: True RMT

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Player A has plenty of Dollars, and wishes to get gil just by paying cash.

Player B has a way to produce the gil, and is willing to sell it for a set price.

Player A buys up as much gil as he can afford.

Player B uses the profit to further his efforts of generating more gil and more sales.

Player A takes that gil and purchases goods and services to improve his standing in the game.

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Both scenarios, at face value, have the potential free market appeal to them, one managed more by the present gil value of a subscription, the other by the dollar value of gil.

True RMT has an additional factor, that of encouraging gilsellers to use players and accounts by "camping" areas designed to be shared for profit. This issue, however, is largely preventable in present MMO game design, by isolating the activities between players, such as the leve system or a large selection of camps with similaly valued drops.

Apart from the above factor, very little is different between the two concepts. The above differences certainly cannot be the only reason why RMT is such a stigma, so I ask you what you think makes RMT so bad, and this so good? Please be specific.

Umm, I see one hitch which could be severely abused.... Currently, the deal with Legacy members is, we pay less and even get free character slots for our accounts. Seeing as legacy members would be paying LESS cash for the ability to sell their subscription time then little billy who pays 5 bucks more for the exact same item.
OR, a larger problem. We bled for this game and earned legacy status... and little billy can pay bobby 12 bucks to over paypal to buy sub time for him so he doesn't have to pay 15.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Fixed.

And the reason it will not- ...nay, must not happen here.

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You claim you fixed my post. Curious, tell me how many mmorpg titles utilize this hybrid subscription system.

Its a shame youre hung on the buried posts. It no longer holds context to this current discussion. How about you take a look at the newer stuff.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Its a shame youre hung on the past posts. how about you take a look at the newer stuff

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Answer my question