Bullying on FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

It is creating a culture where people can do whatever they want with no fear of repercussions.

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And I used that same culture to build my confidence by freely testing my opinions and views on societies that could hold no prejudice from affiliation or history. It helped turn me from a little antisocial weirdo into big social weirdo, and I value that to a crazy level.

Just because some people get their feelings hurt by spastic morons doesn't mean everyone should be punished.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

It is creating a culture where people can do whatever they want with no fear of repercussions, so yes a real person does hold that opinion. Here is an airline barf bag to accommodate your sickness.

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well sooner or later we will have xbox and ps3's and games that can read our minds, and i wouldn't doubt a future where snooping into a brain and hearing what they think of you with ease lmao. so i think the way where heading is just fine, it's not what people are, or what they think of you, or how they act/personality as long as we can deal with it ourselves. removing reason is the only way to fix things, not getting a bigger group to get your way. we live together, seperatly or it just won't work.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

It is creating a culture where people can do whatever they want with no fear of repercussions, so yes a real person does hold that opinion. Here is an airline barf bag to accommodate your sickness.

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No, it just creates a situation where anyone could find out who I am and where I live. I had someone find my info online once before who I met on an MMO and it was not a pleasant experience. If my information became openly visible by everyone on this game I'd delete my account and quit and SE would have -1 person playing their game because my personal safety is more important than people getting cyber bullied.

I mean this in all due respect, but put away your keyboard and stop typing. Your view on how the real world works is so damn narrow it's mind numbing.

So.....did anyone ever explain why the blacklist doesn't work? I've never really understood cyber bullying. Compared to real life bullying like someone hitting your or taking your stuff it never seemed like a big deal. It seems a lot easier to avoid/ignore since you can just block/blacklist people online. It's hard to ignore someone actually physically assaulting you or taking your stuff.

Apologies in advance if my post seems unsensitive.

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Originally Posted by Searious

So.....did anyone ever explain why the blacklist doesn't work? I've never really understood cyber bullying. Compared to real life bullying like someone hitting your or taking your stuff it never seemed like a big deal. It seems a lot easier to avoid/ignore since you can just block/blacklist people online. It's hard to ignore someone actually physically assaulting you or taking your stuff.

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Blacklist doesn't stop someone and his friends from following you spamming /laugh at you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from getting his buddies to send horribly rude things to you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from spreading lies or bad things about you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from MPKing you.
Blacklist only works when or after being bullied and even then it only stops messages and it goes far beyond that.

I've been bullied a little in this game and it's not pleasant and it generally hurts your feelings even if you do blacklist them. I think that's the part you may not be getting, the emotional part of being cyber bullied. The major fix would be just to have a GM service that actually DOES something other than delete forum posts and tell people that they are "investigating the issue" even if it was simply light punishment. Not everyone has thick skin and people do have feelings on the other side of the computer monitor. Though, some other suggestions here are completely bad and unwarranted.

Wow you guys are wimps, you can blacklist to avoid 4 out of 5 of your problems, and if someone MPK you, you can just do it right back or leave the area and try whatever you were doing at a later time

If someone seriously does all that stuff to you, you did something to deserve it most likely... I have played online games for like 12 years and I have never experienced people doing such crazy things

and responding to trolls counts as "something to deserve it" imo

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Blacklist doesn't stop someone and his friends from following you spamming /laugh at you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from getting his buddies to send horribly rude things to you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from spreading lies or bad things about you.
Blacklist doesn't stop someone from MPKing you.
Blacklist only works when or after being bullied and even then it only stops messages and it goes far beyond that.

I've been bullied a little in this game and it's not pleasant and it generally hurts your feelings even if you do blacklist them. I think that's the part you may not be getting, the emotional part of being cyber bullied. The major fix would be just to have a GM service that actually DOES something other than delete forum posts and tell people that they are "investigating the issue" even if it was simply light punishment. Not everyone has thick skin and people do have feelings on the other side of the computer monitor. Though, some other suggestions here are completely bad and unwarranted.

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This what Real Id would prevent. If someone had to face the idea that everyone could see the kind of person they are online they would fall back on the same social niceties that enables us as a society to get along. Now I know some worry about the security risks involved, but there are good solutions to that as well.
http://www.nist.gov/nstic/

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Originally Posted by Ricky

Wow you guys are wimps, you can blacklist to avoid 4 out of 5 of your problems, and if someone MPK you, you can just do it right back or leave the area and try whatever you were doing at a later time

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Instead of MPK'ing I'd rather put them in GM jail for 24-72 hours. It makes no sense to do the same thing they do just to get a sense of satisfaction. If harassment goes unpunished the offenders will just keep doing it. Besides its the GM job to keep a safe, and friendly social environment.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Being Anonamous online is a much larger boon than a burden to the world, I'd rather let people be who they really are unchained from the idiotic restraints our general society places on us. Race/Gender/Creed rarely have the same impact they do online because we don't usually encounter a person and have the same chance we do when we meet them in real life to impose steriotypes and prejiduces on them before we even know them.

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P1: I'd rather let people be who they really are unchained from the idiotic restraints our general society places on us (A)

P2: Race/Gender/Creed rarely have the same impact they do online because we don't usually encounter a person and have the same chance we do when we meet them in real life to impose steriotypes and prejiduces on them before we even know them. (A)

C: Being Anonamous online is a much larger boon than a burden to the world

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This is invalid. Your conclusion does not flow from your premises at all. People "being unrestrained" does not support the statement that being anonymous is a boon to the world. Even formed in a categorical format it doesn't work.

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This is question begging. After this you strawmanned the argument while rocking the slippery slope with your argumentum ad oppression concept.

I understand your viewpoint and can even appreciate it (to an extent) but it's invalid. There are reasons for why this shouldn't be the case but these aren't them.

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Originally Posted by Presbytier

This what Real Id would prevent. If someone had to face the idea that everyone could see the kind of person they are online they would fall back on the same social niceties that enables us as a society to get along. Now I know some worry about the security risks involved, but there are good solutions to that as well.
http://www.nist.gov/nstic/

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Have you heard of a social networking internet website called Facebook? It's hardly anonymous, but that doesn't stop people from using it as a tool to harass and bully people.