Better Materia System

I had an idea in line for this:

NQ Lvl 45+ weapon would give good odds at a grade 4 materia
HQ Lvl 45+ weapon would give great odds at a grade 4 materia
Weapon with Grade 3 materia "hells fist" would significantly improve chances of similar family/color materia being created.

The above effects can stack.

Furthermore, I believe the following should be allowed:

Spiritbonding a Sarrnga (for example) could guarantee a heaven's eye 4, which can be bound to a future Sarnga.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

You can make things difficult without using RNG - I hope thats what SE is aiming for in 2.0 . The RNG is really annoying, has no respect for hard work or skill - just about rolling dice.

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In a MMO without any RNG you would finish it fairly quick and be sitting around moaning about how there is nothing left to do/get.

materia has a nice low barier of entry and ramps up as the rewards "Ammount of stats you get from gear" ramp up. I don't see what the issue with this is considering you only need single meld if that to even do any of the content the game has to offer. It's a nice way for people to spend time and actually look forward to having something to do other than idle around town. In the age of "Give it to me now" you need some sort of long term goals in the game and materia is pretty much the only one we have right now.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

In a MMO without any RNG you would finish it fairly quick and be sitting around moaning about how there is nothing left to do/get.

materia has a nice low barier of entry and ramps up as the rewards "Ammount of stats you get from gear" ramp up. I don't see what the issue with this is considering you only need single meld if that to even do any of the content the game has to offer. It's a nice way for people to spend time and actually look forward to having something to do other than idle around town. In the age of "Give it to me now" you need some sort of long term goals in the game and materia is pretty much the only one we have right now.

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No you would not. RNG creates averages. Instead you can force the average through things like 100% tokens/costs - though you can make less obvious methods as well. (Keeping in mind with statistics % chance has an average but it also creates people who have done the run 100+ times with 1 weapon rewarded, and others who did it exactly 7 times and got every weapon. RNG is bad, it is not a good system for rewarding effort, and skill.)

You do not, I repeat, do not need RNG for anything.

Or like I've suggested in other threads having a progressive RNG woud work as well (for those that must have % chance). Every failed attempt exponentially increases the % and every sucess decreases the %. This keeps things unpredictable but yet at the same time, strangely predictable. (Creating a precise range of attempts required rather then a system that would say - you need to do this 20 times to get one garuda weapon from X totems).

And materia has a high barrier of entry. Even if you find a level 1 materia you cant use it till you find someone who has done the materia quest and till you have a catalyst.

RNG sucks. Give me a luck stat or get rid of the RNG. Make it a difficult task not a lucky task.

what is the plan for status resist materia? CMIIW, but they serve no purpose currently, and also we need more freedom on utilizing materia....also introduce damage modifier based on enemy type, added elemental/debuff effect, command/ability materia,etc

I would not be surprised if they are withholding information to prevent a crash or standstill in the materia market. For all we know, RNG for melds could be dead when ARR launches.

If not, eh. At least they're aware that it is not a perfect system and they are actually using some of our suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Meta

I would not be surprised if they are withholding information to prevent a crash or standstill in the materia market. For all we know, RNG for melds could be dead when ARR launches.

If not, eh. At least they're aware that it is not a perfect system and they are actually using some of our suggestions.

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That is a beyond excellent point, especially since what has recently already been happened from player reactions to the redenomination of gil.

I've never in any game on any forum seen anyone complain about level capping in 3 months.
I've never in any game on any forum seen anyone complain about gear capping in 3 more.

I have seen loads of complaints about people having to slog through the same 5 point end game content a billion times to beat an over kill RnG system. Leaving you with a lot of complete and absolute junk in the wake of your goal. Every MMO out there ends in RnG gear grind and it lasts all of a year before they go F2P. Materia or crafting, you don't need it in this game. The outcome is written in stone.

i would rather melding success be left to player skill than to chance. a mini game perhaps where each tier of materia and each socket level increases in melding difficulty.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

i would rather melding success be left to player skill than to chance. a mini game perhaps where each tier of materia and each socket level increases in melding difficulty.

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Have to include other features to keep from materia flooding the market - but thats what the suggested idea on page one is trying to do.

Check it out :D. Since I'll be editing it again soon - more suggestions will be good.