Was BLM not enough?

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

What exactly got easier? It just looks like it has better stats at lower levels

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Manafication removes melee range requirement for melee combo (expanded to 25y). Does next to no change for casual players, range expanded under a buff that may for most part go unnoticed. For savage it removes planning to be in melee range when manafication is ready allowing rdm to have 6 GCDs of being a phys ranged as opposed to a melee for 3 of the first GCDs

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Originally Posted by WawaMaxHeightLala

Manafication removes melee range requirement for melee combo (expanded to 25y). Does next to no change for casual players, range expanded under a buff that may for most part go unnoticed. For savage it removes planning to be in melee range when manafication is ready allowing rdm to have 6 GCDs of being a phys ranged as opposed to a melee for 3 of the first GCDs

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WAIT WTF I can full range me MELEE combo now?! XD Yoshida I love you. Remember stormblood when a basic melee combo was considered op mobility in conjuction with dual cast on a caster? Not any kupo ing more wow thats crazy.

I think the change is okay, but I feel the main thing is that they should have added some new animations for actions by manafication. Right now, the enhanced melee combos feel very weird when executing, as if your character is swinging in the air and somehow they are magically hitting a target that is far away. If they change those animations, it might be better.

And here I thought they'd at least wait until 8.0 to lobotomize my main job, but it seems they just couldn't help themselves and started early.

Although personally, I think this move comes more from a place of "we completely forgot RDM existed when we designed the last savage tier (M7S in particular, if you aren't in a melee spot during phase 2 the burst is a nightmare) so now we have to cover our asses" than anything else.

Also, though I doubt this will be noticed in a post halfway through the 8th page - a lot of people are misunderstanding one of the changes. You don't get *one* melee combo for free - when you activate Manafic, you get a 30s buff that makes all of your enchanted melee 123 25y for the entire duration. If the distance buff was tied to the 3 swordplay stacks, that would have been...still not great, but certainly better than this.

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Originally Posted by Kishin12345

100% agree with this. There were too many scenarios where you just got punished for getting forced into melee range, now 1 of the potential 2 combos you can fit into burst are guaranteed to hit rather than going out of range and waiting, delaying or even breaking combo. That just felt dumb

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I've been raiding as a RDM since the last tier of ShB, have done most savage encounters and 4 ultimates on the job. Literally the only mechanic where it was completely impossible to find a work around was the lava phase in M6S, which only causes overcapping between burst phase. Even M7S, my static and I found strat tweaks that let me get my uptime in burst. And outside of those, DPS doesn't really matter and mechanics aren't usually so stringent as to require the 4 ranged to be way outside melee range for a significant amount of time during burst timing.

And IMO, Lava phase and the tethers in M7S weren't great mechanics. I'd rather have kept the puzzle that was figuring melee timing to keep uptime in burst than sacrifice that element of engagement with job mechanic for the sake of mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Jaltaer

And here I thought they'd at least wait until 8.0 to lobotomize my main job, but it seems they just couldn't help themselves and started early.

Although personally, I think this move comes more from a place of "we completely forgot RDM existed when we designed the last savage tier (M7S in particular, if you aren't in a melee spot during phase 2 the burst is a nightmare) so now we have to cover our asses" than anything else.

Also, though I doubt this will be noticed in a post halfway through the 8th page - a lot of people are misunderstanding one of the changes. You don't get *one* melee combo for free - when you activate Manafic, you get a 30s buff that makes all of your enchanted melee 123 25y for the entire duration. If the distance buff was tied to the 3 swordplay stacks, that would have been...still not great, but certainly better than this.

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It's really funny to me how red mage feels the most punished for moving now. It was easily the most comfortable caster in stormblood and it barely changed compared to other jobs up to today. My girlfriend been a bard and red mage main since stormblood and I remember her crashing out about how hard it is to deal with the movement of modern encounter design back in rubicante normal mode

I guess thats just what happens when you're the only true caster job left ������

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Originally Posted by Sarantserel

I've been raiding as a RDM since the last tier of ShB, have done most savage encounters and 4 ultimates on the job. Literally the only mechanic where it was completely impossible to find a work around was the lava phase in M6S, which only causes overcapping between burst phase. Even M7S, my static and I found strat tweaks that let me get my uptime in burst. And outside of those, DPS doesn't really matter and mechanics aren't usually so stringent as to require the 4 ranged to be way outside melee range for a significant amount of time during burst timing.

And IMO, Lava phase and the tethers in M7S weren't great mechanics. I'd rather have kept the puzzle that was figuring melee timing to keep uptime in burst than sacrifice that element of engagement with job mechanic for the sake of mechanics.

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Pretty much the same for me, too. I was maining rdm since its release, cleared 5/6 ultimates with it, all savage fights, besides last tier. M7s was not very rdm friendly and standard pfs dont look for ways that everyone can have uptime unfortunately. After more extensive testing i say it looks goofy and is still quite situational. Most of the times you want to fit corps a corps and engagement into burst, so you are in melee range anyway. If there are burst windows where you are forced to be out of range for a long time then you can get your burst still. Some skill expression got taken away but in cases where there is no chance to get a melee out because of whatever reason you cant express skill by looking for a melee in the first place. My guess is that this savage tier will have mechanics that forces the party to be split and in set spots quite a lot, so i overall appreciate the change. Also up until now i thought only 1 melee combo was range but its all potential 3 combos!!! I thought manafication gave stacks but it lasts 30s, so for 30s all melee is ranged.

The only way to find this justifiable is if there's a big amount of mechanics happening during 2min burst windows that would require a RDM to be in a ranged spot to resolve something.

There are? Because if so, there's no planning around that could save the lost dps by delaying it.

So it seems like a clash of 'ideals' between two different kinds of people. Those who see 'pain points' as something that allows for skill expression, and those who see 'pain points' as a nuisance that gets in the way of skill expression.

Not sure how you can reconcile that tbh, and it seems like the devs are siding with 'pain points bad', so the first group are losing out.

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Originally Posted by ElysiumDragon

So it seems like a clash of 'ideals' between two different kinds of people. Those who see 'pain points' as something that allows for skill expression, and those who see 'pain points' as a nuisance that gets in the way of skill expression.

Not sure how you can reconcile that tbh, and it seems like the devs are siding with 'pain points bad', so the first group are losing out.

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It’s almost like we have 21 jobs and not every job has to follow exactly the same philosophy

If you don’t like a “pain points are skill optimisation” job then play a different job.

Somehow of all the roles healer manages to figure this out at least partially as SCH is mostly left alone in its whack design that has a cult following