I just got an account warning for "grief tactics" and I literally have no idea why

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Originally Posted by BayanKha

Probably. But again, I don't say anything a reasonable person would find offensive. I don't make jokes about politics or current events or any sensitive subjects. If the sanitized jokes I make in Frontlines are enough to warrant GM action, this place isn't somewhere I want to be.

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I don't play PvP but the people I know who do, take it pretty seriously. If they are intensely focused and possibly a little tilted, I can see how your jokes would anger them. It's an overreaction but...what can you do?

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

If this is truly offensive, then what happened to the social aspect of MMOs in this game? It's what makes the experience memorable after all..

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You're missing the point. It's not offensive, it's disruptive.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

frontline gives series exp and half a level. if i have to tolerate cure I users in dungeons, pvp mains have to tolerate people having fun in alliance chat

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Ah the mythical Cure I healer enters the thread.

You shouldn't have to tolerate either. Besides, if someone thinks it's "fun" to grief their team, they should simply not queue for FL.

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Originally Posted by MitsukiKimura

Actually there is if you don't win then que again and go at it. It's not the end of the world. You keep trying though it's better to only focus on yourself you'd do better in the long run.

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Frontline is a mode that not only encourages group cooperation, but actually requires it for success. And we get comments like this. My days.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Frontline is a mode that not only encourages group cooperation, but actually requires it for success. And we get comments like this. My days.

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Frontline is a mode where there are too many factors outside your control for you to ever ensure success. Nobody should be taking it that seriously or getting mad over it. It's the PvP equivalent of an alliance raid.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

You're missing the point. It's not offensive, it's disruptive.

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Would that also apply if I had to answer the door, or took a toilet break for a moment? From an in-game view, it's also disruptive and you have no methods of confirming the ongoing irl.

In essence, it shouldn't be different than typing during a frontline. If you punish someone for any form of social communication that isn't rude, then you have failed as an MMO regardless of the situation.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Frontline is a mode that not only encourages group cooperation, but actually requires it for success. And we get comments like this. My days.

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Originally Posted by BayanKha

I steer clear of this too. The most offensive things I've ever said in Frontlines are "Who's ready to pretend to like PvP for 20 minutes" and "hey, if we pick one side to feed, we can end it faster". I can count on one hand the number of times I've even sworn, and I didn't today.

Another thing: the match finished less than 15 minutes before the GM pulled me in, so it had to have been something in chat, otherwise there was no way they could have caught it that fast. I'm starting to think they just didn't check at all, which is honestly just frightening.

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TBH, regardless of whether or not you were joking, I cannot stand when people make comments like this. It instantly pisses me off because there are those of us that actually love to play Frontlines, and to be stuck in a match with people like you who don't care or are only there for the XP makes matches a lot less fun and a lot more irritating.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Frontline is a mode where there are too many factors outside your control for you to ever ensure success. Nobody should be taking it that seriously or getting mad over it. It's the PvP equivalent of an alliance raid.

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Wow. FL was the main reason I was subbed, and you're instructing me not to take it seriously. Try applying that argument to any other group content. How would it go down in Forked Tower if someone started flooding the chat with jokes?

As to your vapid observation that an individual cannot ensure success, yeah that would be odd wouldn't it? With tryhards having 100% win rates. What an individual can do is reduce the chance of success through lethargic or disruptive play. And it's against the rules:

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...4efa39f992435a

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Would that also apply if I had to answer the door, or took a toilet break for a moment? From an in-game view, it's also disruptive and you have no methods of confirming the ongoing irl.

In essence, it shouldn't be different than typing during a frontline. If you punish someone for any form of social communication that isn't rude, then you have failed as an MMO regardless of the situation.

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You've answered your own question. Nobody knows if you have to step away briefly because of RL, so it's actually completely different. The social communication in FL is very important for helping the team win. Spamming chat with irrelevance helps the team lose.

Because of the frenetic pace, it is difficult to be noticed at all in FL. A couple of one-liners in chat won't register with most of the team. You have to be a real PITA to type enough in chat to even get on the radar of others. Actually getting reported demands an even higher bar, since it requires someone to be sufficiently pissed off they go through the cumbersome process of filing a report.

We don't know what OP said to cross this threshold, but it takes a lot of effort to be so disruptive that someone files a report, and for the GM to then issue a warning.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

We don't know what OP said to cross this threshold, but it takes a lot of effort to be so disruptive that someone files a report, and for the GM to then issue a warning.

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Not true people these days can throw in a report for just about anything even trying to suggest someone advice on how to play a job. This community has become too sensitive and it shows.

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Originally Posted by yesnt

Nobody speaks with randoms? Are we playing the same game? Because I see loads of chat everywhere and usually people reply casually in roulettes when they are in the mood. If you regularly get ignored by other players it might be because you type stuff that isn't very inviting.

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When I run roulettes, people will say hi at the start, sometimes, and then shut up for the whole rest of the thing because nobody's trying to catch a case like OP. But go off.

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Originally Posted by MitsukiKimura

Not true people these days can throw in a report for just about anything even trying to suggest someone advice on how to play a job. This community has become too sensitive and it shows.

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So you think OP got a warning for doing absolutely nothing? Despite the fact they have mentioned things they have said that are obvious ToS violations?

There's a big gap from throwing in a report to a GM acting on it.