Cut the ability to queue as a group in Frontline

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

It is... a very slow process. My main complaint from back then was that people were not improving at a fast enough rate. I do hope the new guide spreads out more. There's more and more being added to it!
I'm fine if they added matchmaking if they also added incentives for improvement, but we can't rely on them to change that nor can we rely on them to "ban premades."

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I'm wondering if there are enough players who are somewhat competent that matchmaking itself would produce quality matches? Like I can't really imagine what incentives for improvement would work, beyond making the mode more interesting and responsive.

Same with your guide. It will help those who want to improve, particularly if they prefer party queueing. But so long as the player pool is diluted by people who don't like PvP and/or make no effort in matches, I can't see the situation changing.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

I'm wondering if there are enough players who are somewhat competent that matchmaking itself would produce quality matches? Like I can't really imagine what incentives for improvement would work, beyond making the mode more interesting and responsive.

Same with your guide. It will help those who want to improve, particularly if they prefer party queueing. But so long as the player pool is diluted by people who don't like PvP and/or make no effort in matches, I can't see the situation changing.

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I agree, the only people improving at PvP are the ones who “want” to do so. There needs to be a “need” to improve. There’s a few ways the developers could do so.

1. Increase the rewards for 1st, decrease the rewards for 2nd and 3rd. For your daily roulette, getting first is only like 10% more exp than getting 2nd or 3rd. If it was something like 30% or 40% better, then people would be invested in winning.

2. Additional bonuses based on performance is something I’ve advocated for in the past. If the chat log notified you of exp gain when you get a kill or assist or a capture people will chase that dopamine and improve.

3. I would like to add a shorter “premium” track for the PvP series that only tracked “winning experience. It could have past rewards or some rare dye loot boxes. Nice things, but also not mandatory. You could go that route and have the dyeable versions of gear on this track or alt colored mounts similar to how savage works, but people would probably complain to much l.

4. I still want roulettes for casual CC and RW. If a person only logs in and does roulettes, they end up with 15min of PvP over a 3 to 4 hour play session and that’s just not enough time to form an opinion. (It’s also the only one if you want to succeed at you can’t snooze through)

But as I said… not anything we can do about that… only hope that the competitive spirit prevails and lethargic play becomes scorned

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

But as I said… not anything we can do about that… only hope that the competitive spirit prevails and lethargic play becomes scorned

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Yeah I guess carrots are the traditional FF14 method of attempting to improve things, but my feeling is we need a stick at this point. Or a ban hammer. The only time I enjoy people playing a game badly is when I'm sitting across from them at a poker table.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

Keep the gaslighting coming guys. I can maybe see if you guys thought it was a skill issue in the first video (it wasn't), but as for the second video I know you are arguing in bad faith.

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Gaslighting?
Is that how you takes on all criticisms?
Please keep in mind, you brought this up openly for everyone to see, we didn't ask you to provide a video.
When you provide video trying to convince people about your argument you are open yourself for criticsms.
Process criticism positively and you will improving because "PvP skill" is also about you paying attention to your surroundings
Both videos are showing you and your team are not paying attention to 3rd team.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

Keep the gaslighting coming guys. I can maybe see if you guys thought it was a skill issue in the first video (it wasn't), but as for the second video I know you are arguing in bad faith.

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I think this was a fair critique by everyone although there were a couple that were being harsh, but I'll mind my own business. Apparently, premades are going to continue to ruin the game in many eyes despite what your gameplay shows.

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

that would be awesome, wouldn't it. no chat, no markers, no playing with friends. and don't allow emotes. and like, why is there even pvp in pvp? we should just focus on the objectives and not hit each other at all

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You don't know how on point you are here. I think with how the complaining is right now, that is exactly where we are heading. All RNG everywhere except where objectives are going to spawn.

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

I agree, the only people improving at PvP are the ones who “want” to do so. There needs to be a “need” to improve. There’s a few ways the developers could do so.

1. Increase the rewards for 1st, decrease the rewards for 2nd and 3rd. For your daily roulette, getting first is only like 10% more exp than getting 2nd or 3rd. If it was something like 30% or 40% better, then people would be invested in winning.

2. Additional bonuses based on performance is something I’ve advocated for in the past. If the chat log notified you of exp gain when you get a kill or assist or a capture people will chase that dopamine and improve.

3. I would like to add a shorter “premium” track for the PvP series that only tracked “winning experience. It could have past rewards or some rare dye loot boxes. Nice things, but also not mandatory. You could go that route and have the dyeable versions of gear on this track or alt colored mounts similar to how savage works, but people would probably complain to much l.

4. I still want roulettes for casual CC and RW. If a person only logs in and does roulettes, they end up with 15min of PvP over a 3 to 4 hour play session and that’s just not enough time to form an opinion. (It’s also the only one if you want to succeed at you can’t snooze through)

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I think these are all great points.
I already made a thread about reward change/personal performance, so that's a hard agree, and "Premium" track record for additional rewards is a good idea.
Additional roulettes for additional pvp exposure would be great!

Come on Square Enix....make it happen : pray :

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

If you want it from the other side:
https://www.twitch.tv/olivialugria/c...f0GYv3HdyPynCj
https://www.twitch.tv/olivialugria/c...RDS4MWwUxfwYR_

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This is everything bad with shatter and premades and macros.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

This is everything bad with shatter and premades and macros.

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You're right. The WHM on the enemy did their best to stun the DRK dive and yet their team still stood their and took it. Very shameful display on those people letting themselves be killed so easily.

I guarantee there was someone spamming alert macros to spread out/avoid the attack with sound effects that were unheeded. I've been on the other side of those DRK dives. I've spammed attack avoidance macros. People who don't care will stand there and die without doing a damn thing.

So yes, I agree. This video demonstrates the biggest problem with premades and macros: people doing nothing to stop themselves from dying.

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Originally Posted by CamuiKushi

You're right. The WHM on the enemy did their best to stun the DRK dive and yet their team still stood their and took it. Very shameful display on those people letting themselves be killed so easily.

I guarantee there was someone spamming alert macros to spread out/avoid the attack with sound effects that were unheeded. I've been on the other side of those DRK dives. I've spammed attack avoidance macros. People who don't care will stand there and die without doing a damn thing.

So yes, I agree. This video demonstrates the biggest problem with premades and macros: people doing nothing to stop themselves from dying.

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Hi, I don't engage with bad faith actors, goodbye!