How not to be a mentor

I would say the 0 damage in that one Alliance Raid doesn't proove anything in regards to the specific dungeon run the OP mentioned.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

I would rather people not go through their lives assuming the worst out of others, regardless how "likely" it is that they are going to be irrational.

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It's selection bias. The people that prompt others to actually speak up are the fringe, who are griefing others either by maliciousness ("I don't want to do AoE, I am practicing my single target rotation"), or by willful ignorance ("Don't tell me how to play" / "it's just a game" / "no one cares"). None of these attributes are conducive to a state of mind that will make them accept advice. Not knowing something doesn't mean someone is ignorant, but being ignorant will usually result in a lack of knowledge. That's where the 90% come from, and it's sadly a pretty good estimate. Even if the person in question doesn't speak up, some enabler typically will.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

I would rather people not go through their lives assuming the worst out of others, regardless how "likely" it is that they are going to be irrational.

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Really? I would suggest you stay in safe countries then. Because this is key to surviving, if you go anywhere in the world that isn't a highly policed developed nation you will not last long, and even then, any scammer could easily dupe you in the safest of places.

Some mentors don't even mentor at all, lol.
Although, making helpful critiques and simply being an a**hole are two very different things.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Really? I would suggest you stay in safe countries then. Because this is key to surviving, if you go anywhere in the world that isn't a highly policed developed nation you will not last long, and even then, any scammer could easily dupe you in the safest of places.

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I am obviously talking about in-game where there is no actual personal risk, you don't need to extrapolate what I am saying in a MMO forum to all walks of life, Allen above you seemed perfectly able to understand the tone.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

I am obviously talking about in-game where there is no actual personal risk, you don't need to extrapolate what I am saying in a MMO forum to all walks of life, Allen above you seemed perfectly able to understand the tone.

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Oh really? Like some trolls haven't duped people into saying things that are reportable just so they can get you banned? Don't die on this hill. It's just a bad take. There's a reason this MMO has become silent.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

Ah, so it is a pre-pull Doton situation where it used to work a specific way, and now it doesn't anymore, so the old information got stuck around?

...or is the Doton thing something I been wrong this entire time about too? now I am legitimately questioning everything I know, the way I understood it, is that since using Hide will reset your Jutsu charges, you'd place Doton immediately before pull, Hide, and leave the Doton there for the boss to be pulled over temporarily, and you'd get an extra chunk of damage for basically free, but then they made Hide also dispel Doton, and it is no longer the case, but you still get NIN who insist in using their first Jutsu charge in a fight on Doton, even after the boss has been pulled.

But see what I mean though? I was wrong about something, I have been corrected, and now I will be a better player moving forward, this is what I want to happen in game advice, this is what has happened to me multiple times, and we absolutely had time for a brief conversation in that dungeon, the Healer took a few more minutes to come back, if they had pointed it to me, I'd have checked it up after the dungeon, and have done this small bit of improvement a month sooner.

I guess I should make it clear, I want everyone to be open for advice and discussion over those things, outdated and wrong information gets passed around all the time as well, it's best if we discuss it.



I would rather people not go through their lives assuming the worst out of others, regardless how "likely" it is that they are going to be irrational.

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I mean, to be fair jobs are changed constantly some with a higher impact than others but, take this as a humbling experience. You started with " I am a DNC main and I know my stuff", and ended up with " but people told me this" Don't dodge, don't shift the blame now, don't turn around the focus. Take the L and move on.

You had the best intentions, but mistakes happen also dungeons aren't the best place to carry these conversations. Not when there is information readily available.

I have played dnc for 2 years at this point and I still think I am at trash panda level. I still think I have a long way to go and I seek guidance to this day.

Anyway, happy read and happy dancing :).: https://bit.ly/DNC-DT and https://bit.ly/DNCGuideDT . Both links can be found in the balance discord.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

I mean, to be fair jobs are changed constantly some with a higher impact than others but, take this as a humbling experience. You started with " I am a DNC main and I know my stuff", and ended up with " but people told me this" Don't dodge, don't shift the blame now, don't turn around the focus. Take the L and move on.

You had the best intentions, but mistakes happen also dungeons aren't the best place to carry these conversations. Not when there is information readily available.

I have played dnc for 2 years at this point and I still think I am at trash panda level. I still think I have a long way to go and I seek guidance to this day.

Anyway, happy read and happy dancing :).: https://bit.ly/DNC-DT and https://bit.ly/DNCGuideDT . Both links can be found in the balance discord.

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I have to admit that I have a bad habit of skimming through patch notes because of how I process information, I am extremely bad at processing text and far more of a visual learner, and I usually process Job changes by taking it to a dummy and hitting it for 5 minutes to visualize what changed, I will check The Balance if there are potency or skill changes that seem like will meaningfully affect the flow of the job, but not otherwise, so it leads anything that isn't visible while doing my usual tests slipping through the figurative cracks unless I have been explicitly told about it.

It goes for everything, a raid leader can spend half an hour explaining mechanics and I will barely understand it, but then I see a few diagrams or a video, or see the mechanic myself, and get it immediately.

And yes, it has been humbling, I wasn't trying to shift blame, at least not consciously, just trying to explain how I reached that information.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Oh really? Like some trolls haven't duped people into saying things that are reportable just so they can get you banned? Don't die on this hill. It's just a bad take. There's a reason this MMO has become silent.

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I am sorry, but if you can be duped so easily into saying something reportable, you shouldn't buy any bridges, no matter how good a deal they may seem.

I have always been extremely sociable and talkative in dungeons and raids, so long as I can afford to be without stopping using my skills, and never had any issue in years, just maintaining a degree of politeness and amicability will prevent you from ever crossing any lines.

To those claiming that FFLogs is illegal I'm afraid it's not. It's just a website that you can reference at anytime. How the information gets there however is illegal software. You are not breaking ToS by referencing a website, only if you are running the yoke required to contribute to it. Same as the one for the marketboards.

It's a technicality for sure but it absolutely stands. People like a good witchhunt and fear mongering but you don't need to run 3rd party stuff to check these things.

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Originally Posted by Asako

To those claiming that FFLogs is illegal I'm afraid it's not. It's just a website that you can reference at anytime. How the information gets there however is illegal software. You are not breaking ToS by referencing a website, only if you are running the yoke required to contribute to it. Same as the one for the marketboards.

It's a technicality for sure but it absolutely stands. People like a good witchhunt and fear mongering but you don't need to run 3rd party stuff to check these things.

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I'm pretty sure using logs from a website that breaks the TOS and using that information against another player also breaks the TOS. How the info got there isn't relevant.

Good luck kicking someone in game and referencing the logs and seeing what happens.