Another World First Clear got disqualified due to "Cheating"

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Yoshi-P is on the board of directors. He is one of the SE execs. And he would likely explain before doing anything to stop mods like "there would be an expected loss in revenue, but it is overall necessary for the long term health of the game" or something.

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I argue it would be more harmful because a lot of people are in the modding scene and use this for RP and other things that aren’t cheating.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Yoshi-P is on the board of directors. He is one of the SE execs. And he would likely explain before doing anything to stop mods like "there would be an expected loss in revenue, but it is overall necessary for the long term health of the game" or something.

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I am pretty certain if he walked up to the other members of the board of directors and explained that he knows exactly why the money printing machine is printing less money than before and how it was the direct result of his decisions, he'd be met with a firm "wtf put it back".

Legitimately, taking a huge decision that impacts revenue is directly against what he is supposed to do, and it puts his ability to manage the game going forward in a negative light as well as the game's ability to continue to make money, and you cannot argue about sanctity of gameplay to an executive, they do not care about that, being in the board wouldn't mean much to protect the game if he is saying he willfully took decisions that he knew would impact revenue, at very little gain in exchange.

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Originally Posted by Sacae

How would he convince them that it would be healthy in the long term for the game, though? How many people are going to come back because mod-use was restricted? Is there really an audience that would play the game were it only not for people cheating to get world first twice a year or so?

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Well new players might be using the moon mod in place of buying things from the mog shop, especially since you can customize way more things that no amount of money can buy, like custom teleport animations or spell effects or viera hats. So the argument could be to kill mods and get people giving SE money for mog shop glamours again.

And people aren't just cheating to get world first, that's just when it gets the most publicity. People are cheating in all the hard content all the time, and then complaining online that the game is too easy.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Well new players might be using the moon mod in place of buying things from the mog shop, especially since you can customize way more things that no amount of money can buy, like custom teleport animations or spell effects or viera hats. So the argument could be to kill mods and get people giving SE money for mog shop glamours again.

And people aren't just cheating to get world first, that's just when it gets the most publicity. People are cheating in all the hard content all the time, and then complaining online that the game is too easy.

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Considering people even cheat in Frontlines, just assume that you're always sharing an instance with a cheater.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

All cheats are cheats.

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Yeah but there are some mods that help with accessibility and are sadly not in the base game that help people play. Those are the only ones that I'll campaign for and actually worry about being hit.

The main issue here is that cheating tools for World First are packed together with Viera/Hroth Hats solutions, and only one of those two is actually harmful.

If they:
- Sanctioned some solutions as to make them TOS compliant, they could then easily break down on unsanctioned solutions that don't, but that's too much effort.
- If they themselves ran the World First races and combined with the point above, they could tackle cheaters in a much more controlled environment, but that's too much effort.

Bottom line: They don't care.

I guess some of us are ultra evil for wanting our hats too.

Edit: I killed Twintania on a PS3, why would anyone need any plugin to do content in this game??

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

The main issue here is that cheating tools for World First are packed together with Viera/Hroth Hats solutions, and only one of those two is actually harmful.

If they:
- Sanctioned some solutions as to make them TOS compliant, they could then easily break down on unsanctioned solutions that don't, but that's too much effort.
- If they themselves ran the World First races and combined with the point above, they could tackle cheaters in a much more controlled environment, but that's too much effort.

Bottom line: They don't care.

I guess some of us are ultra evil for wanting our hats too.

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Oh dont you know lord Yoshi P declared hats on buns is a no go, what you speak is heresy

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Originally Posted by WillIrishclover

Oh dont you know lord Yoshi P declared hats on buns is a no go, what you speak is heresy

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Yeah, the solution is beyond mortal hands. It's someone else has already fixed their problem... right? https://cdn.betterttv.net/emote/58d8...49ecc7/1x.webp

Instead of banning all modding they really should use this a motivator to make a couple of the mechanics in high-end fights less predictable.

But this is the ironically named Creative Studio 3, so perish the thought.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

- Sanctioned some solutions as to make them TOS compliant, they could then easily break down on unsanctioned solutions that don't, but that's too much effort.

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WOW did this and it let them ban everyone who used combat automaters at once without any false positives