7.1 DRG Changes - SE learned nothing from EW

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Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro

I actually applaud SE for the recent changes. Its getting people off the copium that the 8.0 job rework is gonna save this game. With SE about to touch every job, I'm starting to think 8.0 is gonna be the final nail in the coffin.

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Yeah, they're saying the same thing about 8.0 that they were about 7.X, and we already know how well one of those has gone.
7.0 MNK/BLM, 7.05VPR, 7.1DRG all caused outrage, and for good reason. Every job-modifying patch has had a controversy so far.
MNK's changes are especially stupid as the job is now less flexible and less forgiving of mistakes (7.0 wrong GCD - Lose 150 to 200p; 6.0 wrong GCD - Lose 46.5 (Unbuffed Snap Punch) to 140p (Demolish falls off, miss 2 DoT ticks)). Even knowing DT potencies are marginally higher than EW potencies, you go from losing 46.5 potency best case to 150. >3x worse. The changes punish casuals harder for mistakes, and on the opposite side of the skill spectrum deleting optimal drift means ubergamers cant flex a 0.5% dps gain anymore. There's nothing to aspire to learn on the job once you've played a handful of hours on it.

It feels like there's nothing to aspire to learn on any job anymore. Just load boss encounter and get excited to load next boss encounter, since that's seemingly the only half of the combat system the developers care about.

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The beloved dev wants each player to have the ability to "showcase one's own technique or expertise," but says that "we're not in a good situation for that" due to the jobs' "simplicity as it is" right now. Yoshi-P then reveals that the team will remedy this as Dawntrail and its future updates roll out, "working towards a more fulfilling playing experience" in patch 7.2 and beyond: "We will look to the jobs and we will focus on providing more individuality in the jobs."

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In an attempt to curb multiple updates' worth of simplification, Yoshi-P details how Square Enix "will be incorporating various changes" post-Dawntrail, some of which will be "related to the skill rotations."

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Even the 7.2 promise in this article mentions the weasel words "and beyond," so they can hand wave any criticism of 7.2 changes as "We're still working on it." That, and "fulfilling playing experience" is a completely meaningless PR statement, CBU3 can and will interpret that as "any change I, the developer, want to make regardless of feedback" (Like with VPR).

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Originally Posted by Cyrtip

Yeah, they're saying the same thing about 8.0 that they were about 7.X, and we already know how well one of those has gone.

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I've posted a thread about this very interview when 7.1 dropped. To me, seeing CS3 do the exact opposite of what the producer has announced implies one of two things to me.
Either, Yoshi-P is so stretched thin that he is not supervising CS3 properly anymore (he did spent a lot of time supervising the mobile port, it seems), so CS3 keeps their Post-EW mantra up because they can/want to/have no idea what else to do...
Or Yoshi-PR is lying to our faces to keep us subbed for a bit longer so the "new style" (supposedly) 7.2 battle content can win us over. Which you kinda mentioned:

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It feels like there's nothing to aspire to learn on any job anymore. Just load boss encounter and get excited to load next boss encounter, since that's seemingly the only half of the combat system the developers care about.

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I hate how FF14 has become almost nothing but bosses when its about instanced content.

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Originally Posted by ovIm

I've posted a thread about this very interview when 7.1 dropped. To me, seeing CS3 do the exact opposite of what the producer has announced implies one of two things to me.
Either, Yoshi-P is so stretched thin that he is not supervising CS3 properly anymore (he did spent a lot of time supervising the mobile port, it seems), so CS3 keeps their Post-EW mantra up because they can/want to/have no idea what else to do...
Or Yoshi-PR is lying to our faces to keep us subbed for a bit longer so the "new style" (supposedly) 7.2 battle content can win us over.

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It's also very reminiscent of Blizzard's "We know better than you" attitude that saw ever more ability pruning from Warlords of Draenor onward and we all know how that ended, so it's not exactly inspiring confidence.

I decided to try the 7.1 DRG because I love torturing myself and as a game tester I was like sure okay I hate on it but i will at least try it-

I cant believe THATS our lv 100 BURST its so f*cking bad I ain't touching the spear again. I feel bad for new players now a days that will pick up the Lancer when creating a new character and will lvup to lv 100 a job that plays like it was locked at lv70

I've been watching some groups' FRU prog, and a guy that's been playing almost exclusively DRG since ARR said he's glad they condensed the Nastronds because getting off all 3 in phase 2 would be borderline impossible with how the fight's structured. So we're now potentially at the point where jobs are being changed to accommodate the newest ultimate at the expense of everything else.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

I've been watching some groups' FRU prog, and a guy that's been playing almost exclusively DRG since ARR said he's glad they condensed the Nastronds because getting off all 3 in phase 2 would be borderline impossible with how the fight's structured. So we're now potentially at the point where jobs are being changed to accommodate the newest ultimate at the expense of everything else.

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That attitude is just baffling to me, so they lost a single Nastrond in this one fight, boo fucking hoo.

And especially if it's "borderline impossible" because that implies it isn't actually impossible, they just don't want to deal with it and rather have the game change around their unwillingness to adjust their playstyle...it's basically everything wrong with post-EW job design in a nutshell.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

I've been watching some groups' FRU prog, and a guy that's been playing almost exclusively DRG since ARR said he's glad they condensed the Nastronds because getting off all 3 in phase 2 would be borderline impossible with how the fight's structured. So we're now potentially at the point where jobs are being changed to accommodate the newest ultimate at the expense of everything else.

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You know it is worrisome if the devs are making changes to jobs so they don't have impossible parts in Ultimates of all things. How is it okay to butcher a job because of content a small amount of people play in? I'll take only using 2 Nastronds in phase 2 of FRU over having to play a lobotomized job everywhere else.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

I've been watching some groups' FRU prog, and a guy that's been playing almost exclusively DRG since ARR said he's glad they condensed the Nastronds because getting off all 3 in phase 2 would be borderline impossible with how the fight's structured. So we're now potentially at the point where jobs are being changed to accommodate the newest ultimate at the expense of everything else.

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So jobs are getting made easier for the sake of the same group of people who also openly use cheats to do the content that is supposed to be a challenge.

Day JUVg=/%cvji68@#9/ of asking for Nastrond back