How many more times must our Living Dead get griefed?

Really there is no blame game here mate. You stated yourself that 1/1000 dungeons you see Dark knights not use LD.
Thats a problem with the players who play tank as well as the healers. As i stated before either you or the healer are to blame for LD needing to be used in the first place.

I've had to use LD maybe 3 times in the past 2 weeks. And 2/3 were due to bad healers :)

If you play 100 dungeons and you need living dead in at least 80 of them then i'd love to argue with you that SOMETHING FISHY IS UP.

I've played for 2 and a half year my man. I tank for 1 and a half year. I played healer and have a pocket healer. As well as the fact i often played with random healers. And living dead is still rarely used.

Also to make a point on it. I have read some of your responses and you're attacking multiple people here. And i never said it was all the healers :)
Just those that appearently "grief" you.
Mate your responses are a thousand words long about an unnescesary thing that can't even be proven to be actual grieving 100% of the time. So why shud i spend a hour reading all of that.

I'm sure it wouldn't need saying to any good faith debater (yes, a shot at you), that I do not in fact play healer exclusively, when playing dps I have seen some painful healer play in my time but you know what else I still see as dps? DRKs who are neither forced to LD for W2W pulls or griefed when LD is used.

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Originally Posted by Chrome_Aerial

Also to make a point on it. I have read some of your responses and you're attacking multiple people here. And i never said it was all the healers :)
Just those that appearently "grief" you.
Mate your responses are a thousand words long about an unnescesary thing that can't even be proven to be actual grieving 100% of the time. So why shud i spend a hour reading all of that.

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Whether each individual incident can be proven as griefing is irrelevant. The important thing is that the activity is inexcusably preventable. That alone is grounds for the post, for calling out Square Enix on a design flaw, and this discussion. That's what you're failing to understand on that.

I go into a roulette, I end up with a tank I don't know -- and few tanks actually use their mits properly or stick to what they can actually tank without exploding. How am I to know I can trust you?
I see your HP plummet, I drop a heal.
Don't take it as if I either ignore your skill as a DRK, or griefing you. I'm busy nuking/spamming AOE/ sprinting after you so you don't die behind some corner because you don't adapt to the group's tempo. I don't have time to take a thorough look at your buffs every time when you go down faster than Paris Hilton.

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Originally Posted by Chrome_Aerial

Also to make a point on it. I have read some of your responses and you're attacking multiple people here. And i never said it was all the healers :)
Just those that appearently "grief" you.
Mate your responses are a thousand words long about an unnescesary thing that can't even be proven to be actual grieving 100% of the time. So why shud i spend a hour reading all of that.

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That's the very issue with this forum, and why if you ask people in game they will about always tell you they don't go due to how negative and toxic it is.
That said, there are a lot of great ideas and thoughts you can find on this forum which makes it worth it to read, but people are overwhelmingly arrogant, with an ego about something no-one care about, and on some topics forgetting that players' experience has to take all type players into account. Weirdly, some are very lovely in game, just like if the forum added a layer to protection on them allowing them to express the bad parts in them, sad, to stay polite. Don't waste your time will people like that (as there are nice peeps here too), you'll just waste your time and internet + this forum means that whenever 2 peoples are arguing, one changing their mind and agreeing

Also I share the same experience as you about Living Dead, I about never use it. I even tried to make a macro to ask healer to stop healing me while using LD (2 seconds delay with the message). Needless to say, even that didn't work lol. Living dead is what it's meant to be, an emergency button to push, not an additional mit. that adding flavor and used by " " skilled " " people. (I wish it was)
Also the numbers mentioned 1/1000 or as you said 80% of the time is straight up wrong, or the issue is the tank themselves (or healer) lol.

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Originally Posted by FuwafuwaMii

I go into a roulette, I end up with a tank I don't know -- and few tanks actually use their mits properly or stick to what they can actually tank without exploding. How am I to know I can trust you?
I see your HP plummet, I drop a heal.
Don't take it as if I either ignore your skill as a DRK, or griefing you. I'm busy nuking/spamming AOE/ sprinting after you so you don't die behind some corner because you don't adapt to the group's tempo. I don't have time to take a thorough look at your buffs every time when you go down faster than Paris Hilton.

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If you are having trouble keeping up with tanks, that's a you problem. Most tanks, myself included, aren't cutting the healer off around corners. I might dip for a split second to LoS (Line of sight) any ranged enemies, but ranged enemies are only just now returning to dungeons, and the new ones don't really have a place for you to LoS them. And if the tank is getting torn through faster than you can heal, then they aren't mitigating properly. But you are taking general statements personally. If you are good at healing, great, that makes you a rarity. You being good at your job doesn't make my experience false or inaccurately described on my part.

I mean all of this could be fixed if DRK you know had the series staple of sacrificing HP to damage added back to it. Then you could just kill yourself and not worry about healers griefing you. I don't think changing ld is a good fix really drk needs it's hw/SB design back.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

I mean all of this could be fixed if DRK you know had the series staple of sacrificing HP to damage added back to it. Then you could just kill yourself and not worry about healers griefing you. I don't think changing ld is a good fix really drk needs it's hw/SB design back.

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Changing Living Dead isn't the only solution I presented, and it certainly is less preferable to just giving dark knight some self sustain. "But oh, we can't have another tank get even the slightest amount of what warrior has an overabundance of because that would somehow make dark knight suddenly be encroaching upon the job identity of warrior." - literally the mentality of anyone who thinks dark knight doesn't deserve to get any self sustain at all. Reality check, warrior stole all of that from dark knight. The lore says dark knight is supposed to be the king of self sustain. I honestly am surprised players aren't outraged over Square Enix not adhering to the lore they created for the jobs.

Dark knights killing themselves is exactly why that was taken away in the Stormblood rework. I gotta at least give credit to people that think dark knight needs a complete rework at this point because they likely have the same frustrations I'm having, but I don't think dark knight needs a rework.

The rotation is fine and only needs some minor potency buffs. The biggest thing dark knight is missing is self sustain. If we had a 400p regen added to Oblation or were rewarded with a heal for proper use of TBN, that would help alleviate the lack of self sustain without it being overpowered. But I wouldn't put it past Square Enix to go the homogenization route and just give all tanks Raw Intuition, and would openly welcome it at this point.

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Originally Posted by AnjouMaaka

If you are having trouble keeping up with tanks, that's a you problem. Most tanks, myself included, aren't cutting the healer off around corners. I might dip for a split second to LoS (Line of sight) any ranged enemies, but ranged enemies are only just now returning to dungeons, and the new ones don't really have a place for you to LoS them. And if the tank is getting torn through faster than you can heal, then they aren't mitigating properly. But you are taking general statements personally. If you are good at healing, great, that makes you a rarity. You being good at your job doesn't make my experience false or inaccurately described on my part.

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How am I supposed to know if I don't know you? For all I know, you're one of those guys who zone in, rush through and don't care about your group... which is the majority of tanks you meet in duties. And you can't even prove you're different, because a duty is done after a few minutes, way too short for your group mates to notice.

Sorry, but you might have to live with the fact that, at least in duties, with random people, you might not be able to do whatever you want, even if you're god's gift to mankind and the greatest DRK to ever walk Eorzea.