Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

To be honest, whilst am not too far into the new content, have to say..... there is definitely truth in the old adage about not being able to please everyone!

Endwalker: "The Scions are all too alike! They're hyper competent! I hate that there is almost no difference in their personalities! Almost all of them are Sharlayan graduates! They have all the answers...." etc etc

Dawntrail: "I hate Wuk-Lamat - she's annoying, doesn't know anything and wants us to feel sorry for her".

I actually LIKE her and am not going to apologise for that. I think she was exactly the change we needed! She isn't perfect, doesn't have all the answers (in fact seems to rely on US having them) and, at the time I wrote this, her combat prowess was lacking. And you know what? GOOD!
I mean, seriously? They give us a character who is nothing like the Scions - which is pretty much exactly what a lot of people asked for - and it's STILL not good enough?

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

I mean, seriously? They give us a character who is nothing like the Scions - which is pretty much exactly what a lot of people asked for - and it's STILL not good enough?

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I certainly didn't. My problems with Endwalker have to do with the story itself and not the characters in it.

It's very early on yet, but so far I have absolutely nothing in this Dawntrail story to hook me. The story is flat-out uninteresting, the main character we are following around like lost puppies has no business being leader and we have no business helping her. I'm sure there will be growth at some point and she'll become a good leader down the line...but why are we here? What about Wuk inspired us to travel across the world and actively try to do what we are doing?

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

I certainly didn't. My problems with Endwalker have to do with the story itself and not the characters in it.

It's very early on yet, but so far I have absolutely nothing in this Dawntrail story to hook me. The story is flat-out uninteresting, the main character we are following around like lost puppies has no business being leader and we have no business helping her. I'm sure there will be growth at some point and she'll become a good leader down the line...but why are we here? What about Wuk inspired us to travel across the world and actively try to do what we are doing?

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Literally nothing about her did. We are basically being the Sharlayan CIA and trying to install a leader that's not gonna make problems for Eorzea/the rest of the world, whether that's best for Tuliyollal or not.

She's basically our "useful" idiot in that she gets us into Tuliyollal with little hassle, and I've heard from some no-lifers that she grows admirably as the story progresses. But I'm pretty sure they're just in honeymoon phase with FFXIV and are being charitable because they're having fun.

I'm not too far into the MSQ yet, but I feel like this is the plot of Tommy Boy.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

I actually LIKE her and am not going to apologise for that. I think she was exactly the change we needed! She isn't perfect, doesn't have all the answers (in fact seems to rely on US having them) and, at the time I wrote this, her combat prowess was lacking. And you know what? GOOD!
I mean, seriously? They give us a character who is nothing like the Scions - which is pretty much exactly what a lot of people asked for - and it's STILL not good enough?

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The problem isn't that she's stupid, there are plenty of well written stupid characters in fiction, whether that be Hodor, Naruto, the Hulk or Forrest Gump. The problem is that it never works well to have a character whose sole defining trait is their stupidity. In order to not just annoy viewers they need some connective character trait so the viewer/player can feel a hook and look past their stupidity (or goofiness) and find them lovable (for want of better term). She's pretty shallow at this point and hasn't really shown any such trait, she hasn't struggled or been persecuted like a Hulk or a Hodor so you can't feel bad for her, she also isn't really earnest or oblivious or loyal or courageous like Forrest or Naruto so you can't see her as "worthy". You may find some element of relatability in her which is good, so she'll be a good character for you but a lot of other people see no real trait other than "goofy and stupid" which works badly by its lonesome.

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Originally Posted by Zaniel

The problem isn't that she's stupid, there are plenty of well written stupid characters in fiction, whether that be Hodor, Naruto, the Hulk or Forrest Gump. The problem is that it never works well to have a character whose sole defining trait is their stupidity. In order to not just annoy viewers they need some connective character trait so the viewer/player can feel a hook and look past their stupidity (or goofiness) and find them lovable (for want of better term). She's pretty shallow at this point and hasn't really shown any such trait, she hasn't struggled or been persecuted like a Hulk or a Hodor so you can't feel bad for her, she also isn't really earnest or oblivious or loyal or courageous like Forrest or Naruto so you can't see her as "worthy". You may find some element of relatability in her which is good, so she'll be a good character for you but a lot of other people see no real trait other than "goofy and stupid" which works badly by its lonesome.

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A. Naruto wasnt written good are you joking lol the dude legit by the end dismisses everything from the past Exams: neji to naruto its fate wrather w/e happans it was destiny "naruto no its not" by the end everything neji said was right naruto was born to be hokage has the strongest tailed beast- family of kages basiclly and neji sacrficed himself like his father proving destiny just one example of how bad that was written.

B. if you think being stupid is her only trait your not paying attention to the dt story at all lol, she more empathic and ya "dumb" amongest other traits your just hung up on when because admitly se goes overboard with comunity ...


and c. your opinion is auto trash by consinder naruto good written lol Wuk is 50x better written from what ive seen than naruto was lol anyone who says naruto was good written is just stupid af lol.


Wuk is emotionally driven and Im willing to bet if she was given the damn personality test that some ppl had to take she would fall under infp

So far she has been a sheltered idiot in a story where everything goes her way. WoL and the rest are just an accessory.

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Originally Posted by Graveyardprincess

A. Naruto wasnt written good are you joking lol the dude legit by the end dismisses everything from the past Exams: neji to naruto its fate wrather w/e happans it was destiny "naruto no its not" by the end everything neji said was right naruto was born to be hokage has the strongest tailed beast- family of kages basiclly and neji sacrficed himself like his father proving destiny just one example of how bad that was written.

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So you completely misunderstood the story of Naruto. Got it.

Perhaps they will character develop this idiot in the future after certain trials and tribulations that wreck her.

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Originally Posted by Graveyardprincess

Wuk is emotionally driven

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This is why she is so annoying

she's a literal teenage girl