Scholar's Identity Transformation

Repeating my thoughts from another thread about this that fell off a few days ago, since feedback seems to be piling up in this one:

Scholar is a fairy job, and I love it for that. I am not interested in, and would very much prefer not to have, angel theming. To be clear, I don't mind the transformation aspect, but I would like it to be distinctly about Il Mheg-type (i.e. fairy) aesthetics, for example, and not something that is trending toward sin eater.

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Originally Posted by Miralyth

Repeating my thoughts from another thread about this that fell off a few days ago, since feedback seems to be piling up in this one:

Scholar is a fairy job, and I love it for that. I am not interested in, and would very much prefer not to have, angel theming. To be clear, I don't mind the transformation aspect, but I would like it to be distinctly about Il Mheg-type (i.e. fairy) aesthetics, for example, and not something that is trending toward sin eater.

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Il Mheg is the unrelated but similarly named pixies, not fairies. Aloalo island has statice, which is about as close as we've seen but still a bit distinct.

TLDR version:

Just to be clear... these fairies come from the job crystal. That is why Arcanists, having the capability of materializing Carbuncles out of crystals (Topaz, Emerald, etc), were able to do so with ease. These fairies also act as memory cards where they have the memories of their previous wielders. That's also how we were able to unlock our actions. Basically, you are still an Arcanist but using the spells of scholars before you. We were merely borrowing those spells.

The SCH crystal the WoL wields was originally owned by Surito Carito, before transforming into a Tonberry due to a curse, and the name of the fairy was Lily. Lily had 2 aspects, Eos and Selene. And due to the curse, he can no longer attune to the crystal hence he entrusted his job crystal to us.

end of TLDR.

Scholars are not fairy healers. They are not slaves to the fairies. These fairies are tools used by the scholars since they were military strategists so they may have employed the divide and conquer strategy of having a delegated entity to do all the healing for them so they can focus on the strategic aspects of their spell casting.

Edit.. with that lore alone, the possibility of a tank job branching off from Arcanist is a possibility they didn't even bother exploring.

Edit.. again.. That is why I am having difficulties trying to fit the lore-breaking transformation and the ability to summon Seraph without a job stone. Some can argue that Seraph is Lily's Trance, like how Mog became Madeen in FF9. We all know what happened to Mog after transforming, that's why we got the accessory Ribbon. Enough tangent... Should Seraph be Lily's trance, then who's the entity showing up in SCH's LB3? See what happens when the lore is discontinued? This mess happens.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

Il Mheg is the unrelated but similarly named pixies, not fairies. Aloalo island has statice, which is about as close as we've seen but still a bit distinct.

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To be honest, there is the actual possibility for it. These scholars of Nym bound and controlled fairies and have relegated the healing responsibilities to them. Though that means that we need another pokeball... I mean crystal to where we can bind that new fairy.. In fact, it is not limited to fairies. The lore did not specify that only fairies can be bound.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

It's just as easy to ask, "why not?" It shouldn't have to be said that an engineer and a healing class in an online game aren't even remotely related. Unless I am misunderstanding what you're saying here?

As for Titania, the name and the form they take is heavily inspired by Shakespeare's play 'A Midsummer Night's Dream', in which Titania is the queen of the faeries. While officially a remnant of the fallen pixie king of Il Mheg, a SCH taking this form, particularly the WoL who bested the king in combat makes a hell of a lot more sense than the angelic form we're given. Titania was also well received in regards to her concept art and design, so it shouldn't come as any surprise that players would love to have her glamour. We were cut a bit short with the online store version of it.

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The only thing against that..,
Is the fact all these things are different, of origin.

Pixies =/= Fairies =/= Angel's. But there Is alot of overlap.

For example, Bahamut simply could of had tied to Coils, or 1.0

But neither are used as reference as to WHY SMN has access to them.

So does WHMs access to Holy Naming(of a few skills)

When it's just Light Aspected Aether, with hits of nature. (Due to their Conjurer Roots, and Padjali Connection to The Elementals.)

It really is just player putting their own view on it.

But if you really do want to Link Fairies to Pixies. The leap is just as much to Angel's.

Since Pixies originate from completely different source to our Eos/Selenes Origin.

[Like said on other posts:

Pixie Mischief, Fairy Wisdom(of Nym), Angel(ic) Knowledge

Nothing bars any of these, but Having A reference to Higher Knowledge Befits more, just like Seraph Evolution. and Nothing Denies future Evolution of Seraphism]

With Reaper, while the forced glam is mostly a plain black robe it is somewhat obfuscated by the red flame effects. And further obfuscated by being a melee DPS that's twirling around doing attacks with big effects pretty much the whole time you're using it. You kinda just look like a burning shadow. If you never used it out of combat and zoomed in to look at yourself you probably wouldn't notice it removing racial characteristics or looking kinda plain.

Healers on the other hand tend to stand still a lot and their skills don't cover up their own bodies, and Seraphism doesn't seem to have a big effect on it, maybe just a slight glow. So it's going to be much easier to notice that it just looks like plain robes.

When people asked for fairy fusion i always thought that they wanned something like Yuno from Black Clover.

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Originally Posted by SylvAlternate

Neither makes sense. Scholar's arcane Faeries and Norvrandt's Fae Folk have absolutely nothing to do with each other outside of the name.

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You're right. They don't. But I never said they did have anything to do with each other. All I did was point out why it makes more sense for the SCH to transform into a faerie opposed to an angel if this is the decision the dev team has gone with, and I also pointed out the reference to Titania from Shakespeare's play, whom is a faerie. The fact of the matter is the transformation will be a thing come 7.0 whether you like it or not, so given the choice between a faerie or angelic form, which would you choose? And I really don't want to hear about the transformation being based on a military tactician of Nym. The SCH already IS this. Transforming into what they already are makes even less sense than the angel. Feel free to glamour any of the AF choices that are themed this way and run with it. There's nothing to stop anyone who wishes to have this appearance.

Appearing like Titania is just a suggestion. That is all it is. No connection is needed. The transformation can take the appearance of anything related to faeries. The reason why I brought up Titania specifically is due to the WoL rightful place as the king of Il Mheg. However, I am already aware that this doesn't really make sense because in order for the WoL to take the seat, they have to shed their mortal form. It's more just wishful thinking, which I am allowed to do last I checked.

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Originally Posted by rawker

TLDR version:

Just to be clear... these fairies come from the job crystal. That is why Arcanists, having the capability of materializing Carbuncles out of crystals (Topaz, Emerald, etc), were able to do so with ease. These fairies also act as memory cards where they have the memories of their previous wielders. That's also how we were able to unlock our actions. Basically, you are still an Arcanist but using the spells of scholars before you. We were merely borrowing those spells.

The SCH crystal the WoL wields was originally owned by Surito Carito, before transforming into a Tonberry due to a curse, and the name of the fairy was Lily. Lily had 2 aspects, Eos and Selene. And due to the curse, he can no longer attune to the crystal hence he entrusted his job crystal to us.

end of TLDR.

Scholars are not fairy healers. They are not slaves to the fairies. These fairies are tools used by the scholars since they were military strategists so they may have employed the divide and conquer strategy of having a delegated entity to do all the healing for them so they can focus on the strategic aspects of their spell casting.

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Well said. However, you have missed the part where Lily has become sentient for unknown reasons. She is no longer a tool, she is a companion to the WoL. It's what inspired the poem I wrote in my sig. Soulstones in general are memory cards. Passing on abilities from one wielder to the next is how they work across all jobs. This is completely unrelated to the faeries contained within the soulstones of SCHs. However, they do retain memories of their previous wielders, which partially explains why Lily recognizes Surito. However, iirc she shouldn't be able to because of the tonberry curse, but she does because she is actually a living being.

The transformation as we see it in the job actions trailer is not directly linked to Lily. She remains on the field for the duration the SCH takes on this form. She only leaves when Seraph is summoned. There is no pact between the two like with RPR and their voidscent. They are not a slave to their faerie, and their faerie is not a slave to them. The SCH simply transforms, which I pointed out previously is more of an apotheosis than anything. The faerie aspect of SCH is every bit a part of their lore as being a military tactician of Nym. To dismiss either is completely erroneous.

I'm now going to make a statement that i might regret mentioning.... these fairies were... erm... enslaved as they were bound and controlled by scholars. I will not be surprised that they still have sentience or morality in them. It was never mentioned if they were stripped off their sentience to make it easier to control them... may even be implied though but without concrete proof, i am just pulling things from thin air. Let's just say that the fairies played along.

For all intents and purposes, they may not even be limited to controlling faes should the need arise.

Wtf is happening with the dt job actions lol
devs had some mushrooms and were like yeah this looks epic lets just turn every player into an angel regardless of their character sex? lol