2.0 Leveling

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

The nature of MMOs is repeated actions.

Whether you repeat killing the same garden variety mobs en masse or repeating quests, you're still repeating actions to fill up an exp bar.

The thing you have yet to address in all these threads is why not having the quests attached to the repeated action is better than having the quest?

Let's say a given level requires killing ten wolves -- for example only. Why is it better to just kill those ten wolves instead of having a quest that rewards a little extra exp attached?

In theory it's better to have quests like this rather than leaving the grind up to camp-style exping because the developers can get creative. The quests don't have to be only "ten wolves and come back." But arguing against quests simply because they have you go kill something multiple times in favor of just killing something multiple times is silly.

All camp style grinding is is quest-chaining without the quests. At least Quest-chaining encourages players to move around the world instead of just following a blazed trail of approved camps.

There's no reason they can't design these quests to need a party.

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Exactly! Which I'm 99.9% sure they will do just that! Yoshi-P brought this game from crap to Okay standards. and doing 2 versions at once at that.. I have 100% faith that he will make this game into something special.. and not " Rokien's game"

Everyone keeps saying Yoshi is smart for copying WoW. Well, that game is so last decade. If Yoshi was smart he would A) be original or B) copy a current generation MMO.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

Everyone keeps saying Yoshi is smart for copying WoW. Well, that game is so last decade. If Yoshi was smart he would A) be original or B) copy a current generation MMO.

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Smart in Boobygunz eyes, not the community.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Smart in Boobygunz eyes, not the community.

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You guys keep on saying "This and that is old, this is the current gen mmo" Well this current generation is not even new school.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Smart in Boobygunz eyes, not the community.

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I think if you canvass the MMO community, these days people aren't much enamoured by WoW anymore. Everywhere you look on MMO sites, people are raving about GW2, and ArcheAge, B&S and other such games which are being innnovative with the MMO platform.

The hype surrounding FFXIV 2.0 is sustained right now on promises that things might get better. But so far nobody has really seen proof of that. If it turns out that FFXIV is just WoW with FFXIV's graphics, it might very well happen that people aren't so hyped about FFXIV 2.0 as you so fervently believe.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

I think if you canvass the MMO community, these days people aren't much enamoured by WoW anymore. Everywhere you look on MMO sites, people are raving about GW2, and ArcheAge, B&S and other such games which are being innnovative with the MMO platform.

The hype surrounding FFXIV 2.0 is sustained right now on promises that things might get better. But so far nobody has really seen proof of that. If it turns out that FFXIV is just WoW with FFXIV's graphics, it might very well happen that people aren't so hyped about FFXIV 2.0 as you so fervently believe.

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If their's no proof of anything, then their really shouldn't be complaining till such proof exists. In August we will know all the Information we will need to know about the game.. and then this discussion can resume once again.

I feel SE is screwing up royally. They better give a benefit to group leveling or they are going to shoot themselves in the foot.

They have no reason to remove leveling by exploring the world and killing what is in it, and I am hoping they are not nerfing it to where Solo Questing > Group grinding... or they have screwed up like so many other mmos have.

They should of just added many different ways to level, not force the community into one method.

A WoW clone is the quickest way to end XIV, because there is simply no way this game can out mainstream GW2, Tera, ToR, and WoW:Panda Land. They will get few ppl who will stay and will lose what they already have.

A mmo is about community and SE needs to realize this... People are not going to give them time at 2.0 to fix this if they screw up that fundamental concept.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

I feel SE is screwing up royally. They better give a benefit to group leveling or they are going to shoot themselves in the foot.

They have no reason to remove leveling by exploring the world and killing what is in it, and I am hoping they are not nerfing it to where Solo Questing > Group grinding... or they have screwed up like so many other mmos have.

They should of just added many different ways to level, not force the community into one method.

A WoW clone is the quickest way to end XIV, because there is simply no way this game can out mainstream GW2, Tera, ToR, and WoW:Panda Land. They will get few ppl who will stay and will lose what they already have.

A mmo is about community and SE needs to realize this... People are not going to give them time at 2.0 to fix this if they screw up that fundamental concept.

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I'm telling you right now, FFXIV 2.0 will still have Monsters to kill, in an interview back at E3 there was a question as to why there were no monsters? Yoshi-P said they aren't hooked up to any Server so there is nothing be the Character and the surrounding area with no monsters. ( this was when Yoshi-P was on his Laptop showing to the people behind closed doors of 2.0 in its early stages).

There will be Monsters Roaming to kill like normal, just they are adding other means of getting exp besides grinding on mobs all day long. For the people that can't tolerate doing the same thing over and over again.

how will this new system work if your leveling 20 jobs? Or are they going to focus more on leve like system? And can we still level off monsters...hmmm.

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Originally Posted by wolfwing

how will this new system work if your leveling 20 jobs? Or are they going to focus more on leve like system? And can we still level off monsters...hmmm.

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leveling off mobs wont work in 2.0 nor will farming.