Rhalgrs Reach should never have existed

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yeah because Idyllshire lacks aethernets and they placed the aetheryte into the center (which was smart). That along with having pseudo endgame activity features like WT and Faux Pas along with 2 Custom Delivery NPCs and parts of Relic chains, Idyllshire has a lot going for it compared to Rhalgr's Reach.

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Most of these weren't added until much later into the expansion, like WT (patch 3.4), and the first Custom Deliveries NPC (patch 3.55a). The 2nd NPC, along with Faux Hollows were added in a later expansion. Meaning the features that Idyllshire had going for it were a lot more comparable to the ones Rhalgr's Reach had, for the majority of the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

My problem though its how ugly and compact it is; alongside its music. I much prefer Rhalgr's Reach for its beauty but the fact that they didnt bother keeping relevant features like in Idyllshire its why theres a lack of players.

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I'm guessing you simply see beauty in temples that were left to ruin? Because that's what Rhalgr's Reach is. There's rubble all over the place, barely any proper paths, half-broken pillars, and tents everywhere. This all makes sense for a Resistance base, during the initial 4.0 Stormblood MSQ, when the Garlean Empire was very much in control of the region. After Ala Mhigo's liberation? The Ala Mhigans would have no reason not to start restoring the place. Even a small outpost in The Lochs (The Saltery) saw more restoration than Rhalgr's Reach. To put things into perspective, the 3.0 version of Idyllshire (before all the patches that improved it) would be comparable to how Rhalgr's Reach is today.

I'm sure Rhalgr's Reach could be a beautiful place had it received the same treatment (along with a more central aetheryte), I just find beauty to be hard to find in its current state. But at the end of the day, I guess it's how the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yeah because Idyllshire lacks aethernets and they placed the aetheryte into the center (which was smart). That along with having pseudo endgame activity features like WT and Faux Pas along with 2 Custom Delivery NPCs and parts of Relic chains, Idyllshire has a lot going for it compared to Rhalgr's Reach.

My problem though its how ugly and compact it is; alongside its music. I much prefer Rhalgr's Reach for its beauty but the fact that they didnt bother keeping relevant features like in Idyllshire its why theres a lack of players.

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Not everything is missing. Rhalgr's has a Custom Delivery NPC.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Most of these weren't added until much later into the expansion, like WT (patch 3.4), and the first Custom Deliveries NPC (patch 3.55a). The 2nd NPC, along with Faux Hollows were added in a later expansion. Meaning the features that Idyllshire had going for it were a lot more comparable to the ones Rhalgr's Reach had, for the majority of the expansion.

I'm guessing you simply see beauty in temples that were left to ruin? Because that's what Rhalgr's Reach is. There's rubble all over the place, barely any proper paths, half-broken pillars, and tents everywhere. This all makes sense for a Resistance base, during the initial 4.0 Stormblood MSQ, when the Garlean Empire was very much in control of the region. After Ala Mhigo's liberation? The Ala Mhigans would have no reason not to start restoring the place. Even a small outpost in The Lochs (The Saltery) saw more restoration than Rhalgr's Reach. To put things into perspective, the 3.0 version of Idyllshire (before all the patches that improved it) would be comparable to how Rhalgr's Reach is today.

I'm sure Rhalgr's Reach could be a beautiful place had it received the same treatment (along with a more central aetheryte), I just find beauty to be hard to find in its current state. But at the end of the day, I guess it's how the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

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Like I said, its big, its wide, theres long red drapery, waterfalls and a kick ass statue of rhalgr looming over along with a pool of water enclosure. It looks refreshing and beautiful.

Idyllshire is just a ruined, messy industrial looking ass place that most likely smells bad.

My opinion of course, but seriously you cant tell me that something so ugly and compact like a ruined ass town full of metal junk is more appealing than Rhalgrs Reach. Lets quit with the Stormblood bad memes ok?

Im just saying we need more endgame incentives to have us revisit that place because it deserves it. I flippin hate how the devs just abandon all Ala Mhigan shit just because that culture and style isnt as appealing as fantasy Japan which is the more world wide popular aesthetic.

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Originally Posted by Iselion

It's hilarious how people will complain about devs not reading the forums or taking any of the suggestions seriously. I've joined recently and the conduct and etiquette on these forums is in a sad state.

You all wonder why JP forums get more attention than we do. Maybe take a look at the JP forum and see how much more well-behaved they are and have some shame.

We're all here to have respectful conversation, yet these forums are a childish playground filed with namecalling and sarcasm. Maybe set an example if you'd like to be heard by devs?

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I take it that's a 'yes' then?

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

You've done this to yourself. It's clearly perfectly fine when these people act out in this way when they share your viewpoints in a thread, but you eventually have to realize if this continues there will come a time when the entire forum will devolve into an embarrassing mess of immaturity with everyone acting out this way. If you think it's bad now then wait until everyone is doing it and there is no longer any discussion to be had.

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Caught this again reading back on quoted posts in the current discussion after some sleep and felt compelled to add, because wow:

You were categorically wrong, and you admitted that. Trying to point score after the fact in an unrelated discussion is beyond petty, especially as you're also trying to imply I pardon behaviour I actually make a strong point of never agreeing with when it "supports my point of view", purely on the basis I disagreed with how you acted. I don't. You acted poorly, and I called it as I saw it, and whoever else may have been tangentially involved has no bearing on that whatsoever.

I will never, ever pardon any form of bullying or nasty behaviour, and twisting the course of past discussions to soothe your own wounds is low, even for this place.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Idyllshire is just a ruined, messy industrial looking ass place that most likely smells bad.

My opinion of course, but seriously you cant tell me that something so ugly and compact like a ruined ass town full of metal junk is more appealing than Rhalgrs Reach. Lets quit with the Stormblood bad memes ok?

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Have you even been to Idyllshire in, oh, anytime in the past 6 years? The entire place has been restored. Majority of the buildings fully retain the original Sharlayan aesthetic, along with the bridges and walls. It has a nice looking fountain plaza, east of the scrips vendors. It even has an entire gardening system for the outpost's sustainability.
Obviously it also has some goblin architecture, since the entire restoration was a joint effort between adventurers and goblins.

Or are you just purposefully looking at 3.0 screenshots of Idyllshire, and ignoring all the changes made from patch 3.1 to 3.5?

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Not everything is missing. Rhalgr's has a Custom Delivery NPC.

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It has one, but Idyllshire has 2 Custom Deliveries. So thats double the chances of seeing newer players (or veterans farming scrips) in the area.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Have you even been to Idyllshire in, oh, anytime in the past 6 years? The entire place has been restored. Majority of the buildings fully retain the original Sharlayan aesthetic, along with the bridges and walls. It has a nice looking fountain plaza, east of the scrips vendors. It even has an entire gardening system for the outpost's sustainability.
Obviously it also has some goblin architecture, since the entire restoration was a joint effort between adventurers and goblins.

Or are you just purposefully looking at 3.0 screenshots of Idyllshire, and ignoring all the changes made from patch 3.1 to 3.5?

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My brother, Ive consistently go there frequently every week. It still looks boring and the music is annoying! And inb4 ofcourse you hate it if you visit it so many times because:
1. 100% True which further proves my argument that it lost its luster and they should start spreading out endgame activities in various other hubs
2. If I wanted that aesthetic, Old Sharlayan is much more appealing

Look I just seriously dont like Idyllshire anymore. It's neat that there's lovable gobbies and what not but the place just looks...heavily UGH. I much rather have more reasons to visit Rhalgr's Reach because the place looks more comfortable and cozy to hang in.

It also doesnt help you have to warp into Idyllshire if you want to go to the Dravanian Forelands for FATE (for Shb relics) or Hunt farms or whatever. So thats triple the revisit time to that stanky place. Its so annoying having to do that. I wish they implemented a sidequest where you help install a main aetheryte in the Forelands so we can stop having to detour to Idyllshire to get there.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

My brother, Ive consistently go there frequently every week. It still looks boring and the music is annoying!

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There's a difference between finding the place to be boring, and calling it a ruined town. One's a perfectly fine opinion, the other is an incorrect statement.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

2. If I wanted that aesthetic, Old Sharlayan is much more appealing

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Except Old Sharlayan couldn't be visited when Idyllshire was the endgame hub.