Dawntrail Media Tour Wishlist Survey

That brings up a good question about how PVP will be handled now that it's actually a somewhat prominent element of the game that actually does get updates. Traditionally, I wouldn't imagine there would be PVP changes at 7.0's launch given how the game has handled content releasing in the past, but looking at the impact PVP has now, it feels like it would be more appropriate to also update PVP movesets with the launch of 7.0 to better reflect how the jobs will feel in the new expansion, perhaps including new actions based on ones gained in Dawntrail that otherwise act as anchors of any respective job's identity. I don't necessarily believe PVP movesets will be updated at launch, but I do think they should be now regardless.

If we're acknowledging PvP in this thread then my wish is for Rival Wings to be acknowledged. I really like it, but no one plays it and one of the two maps is currently disabled hahaha.

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Originally Posted by RavLandslide

If we're acknowledging PvP in this thread then my wish is for Rival Wings to be acknowledged. I really like it, but no one plays it and one of the two maps is currently disabled hahaha.

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The original purpose of the thread was discussing things you'd want to see from the media tour/job actions trailer, and PVP is very unlikely to be represented. It was just a fringe thought about how, because PVP has become a respectable aspect of FFXIV, that PVP may very well deserve to be showcased in lead up to and upon the launch of a new expansion, but unless that suddenly happens for Dawntrail, it probably won't be up for discussion for Dawntrail's release. I imagine 7.1 is when PVP will get some sort of new expansion update based on how formulaic FFXIV is, but who knows? I could be proven wrong.

Fix tanks and healers annoucement.

DPS is like the only role that they care about though so it's a wishlist for a reason.

We'll probably know by the 8th if there are any plans on addressing any amount of feedback regarding tanks and healers. We won't really know much, but they'll likely share broad-scope adjustments to combat. As little faith as everyone seems to have that anything will ever change noticeably again from the Shadowbringers model, I don't think DT will just be ShB 3.0 like EW was ShB 2.0. I don't really know what that will mean exactly, or even if that's going to be better or worse, but I think there's too much criticism of stagnation that echoes beyond the forum discourse. It's been talked about several times by different streamers with solid followings. But who knows. It's about 2 weeks away at this point.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

We'll probably know by the 8th if there are any plans on addressing any amount of feedback regarding tanks and healers. We won't really know much, but they'll likely share broad-scope adjustments to combat. As little faith as everyone seems to have that anything will ever change noticeably again from the Shadowbringers model, I don't think DT will just be ShB 3.0 like EW was ShB 2.0. I don't really know what that will mean exactly, or even if that's going to be better or worse, but I think there's too much criticism of stagnation that echoes beyond the forum discourse. It's been talked about several times by different streamers with solid followings. But who knows. It's about 2 weeks away at this point.

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I'm personally not holding my breath, but I do want to be pleasantly surprised. (Though, that wouldn't take much regarding job design, these days..)

I don't personally believe or want to believe that they'll just keep things as is for tanks and healers as it's been divisive at best for years now, but I'm not exactly convinced otherwise either. As far as I'm concerned, and this is paraphrased a bit, "a large amount of jobs will have different and new rotations" is just words and is a baseline expectation going into Dawntrail.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

We'll probably know by the 8th if there are any plans on addressing any amount of feedback regarding tanks and healers. We won't really know much, but they'll likely share broad-scope adjustments to combat. As little faith as everyone seems to have that anything will ever change noticeably again from the Shadowbringers model, I don't think DT will just be ShB 3.0 like EW was ShB 2.0. I don't really know what that will mean exactly, or even if that's going to be better or worse, but I think there's too much criticism of stagnation that echoes beyond the forum discourse. It's been talked about several times by different streamers with solid followings. But who knows. It's about 2 weeks away at this point.

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While it would be nice if they actually listened to the criticism and adjusted course away from ShB version3, there is the concern that it might have been too late to adjust course. The criticism only grew loud and the voices of streamers only joined the chorus during Abyssos in 6.2, would they still be able to revise things at that point in the expansion? They did say some time back that they plan ahead, so would they be able to even do anything about the backlash at the point when it was the loudest? That's the biggest concern there.

I had to go back a few pages to read to catch up. First about bard. I have been playing the job allot lately and I always had a love for bard. Dancer came and it became the support baby. I find bard in this limbo. Mch is the top dog in damage and Dnc is the low damage but heavy support. Bard is in the middle. Hybrid dps/support but the devs failed sadly. Bard is one of the lowest played jobs right now.

-Support is lackluster at best.
-Dots have no synergy with the songs anymore.

I would love to see dots play a major role with the songs again. Also, a mp song will be nice to have again. Make songs a toggle like they were before and have it drain bards mp so it’s not just sitting there full. Why have a mp bar if we can’t even use it. Have foe requiem make a triumphant return. Also, maybe time for a new song? Also, maybe something we can do to buff the current songs we have. Not trying to make bard overpowered or anything. Just want to make it fun again like it use to be and bring more support back to us.

Maybe bard is next in line for a complete rework. I feel they are too at that line where adding more to it will do more bad than good. I don’t even think the devs know what they wanna do with bard. It seems after stormblood they destroyed this job in favor of dancer. Remember in the beginning of Shb I don’t think bard even had any buffs at all. They even removed them from the songs and due to player huge backlash they gave some buffs back to the songs.

Come on devs come Dawntrail make bard amazing again please :) I have faith.

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While it would be nice if they actually listened to the criticism and adjusted course away from ShB version3, there is the concern that it might have been too late to adjust course. The criticism only grew loud and the voices of streamers only joined the chorus during Abyssos in 6.2, would they still be able to revise things at that point in the expansion? They did say some time back that they plan ahead, so would they be able to even do anything about the backlash at the point when it was the loudest? That's the biggest concern there.

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I mean like I said, it could be worse for all we know. I’m just saying I don’t think it will just be the same to a T.

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I mean like I said, it could be worse for all we know. I’m just saying I don’t think it will just be the same to a T.

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I wouldn't say there's no chance it will be the same. Let's take this fact, Yoshi P was notified in a player Q&A after Abyssos launch about the healer shortage, knowing this, he has 3 options:

1) Ask his community staff to find out what's causing the shortage and what are the biggest grievances players have with the role then take steps to address the biggest issues that are plaguing the role.

2) Assume that players are still just too scared of playing the role, further simplifying things and assuming that will fix the problem.

3) Triple-down on current design because there are currently people engaging with the role anyway, then hope for an influx of players that will accept the current playstyle and boost the numbers for the role.

There is a non-zero chance that he will continue down this design path, his answers in the later Q&As don't really fill me with confidence that he understands the problems that players have. Honestly though, he did say there will be a lot of jobs that will play differently in DT, so maybe things will change. Perhaps I'm cynical, but I'm keeping my expectations low because I've not been given any reason to raise my expectations.